From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Sun Mar  1 18:11:03 2009
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:11:03 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Pidgin and OTR install guide
In-Reply-To: <20090225110110.33fc25e0@ananda-desktop>
References: <20090225110110.33fc25e0@ananda-desktop>
Message-ID: <20090301231103.GY11065@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:01:10AM +0000, Ananda Samaddar wrote:
> I'm working on a Pidgin and OTR user guide.  This is being written in
> LyX and has screenshots.  I'm hoping that this can become an 'official'
> guide as the docs on the OTR site are inadequate and out of date in my
> opinion.
> 
> I will let you know when it's finished and hopefully you can modify it
> and upload it to the OTR site.  Because I'm using LyX it can easily be
> converted to LaTeX or html.
> 
> I believe Richard Stallman when he says that free software is useless
> without good free documentation.  Also since I live in one of the most
> surveillance happy country in the world - the UK - I'd like to see
> widespread use of privacy technologies. I'll probably put my efforts in
> to the public domain so it can be used for any purpose.
> 
> I'd like to hear the OTR maintainers' thoughts on these issues.

We'd love to have a more up-to-date guide!  Thanks for the offer!

   - Ian


From ananda.samaddar at vfemail.net  Mon Mar  2 12:22:29 2009
From: ananda.samaddar at vfemail.net (Ananda Samaddar)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:22:29 +0000
Subject: [OTR-users] Pidgin and OTR install guide
In-Reply-To: <20090301231103.GY11065@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <20090225110110.33fc25e0@ananda-desktop>
	<20090301231103.GY11065@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <20090302172229.321a3c5e@ananda-desktop>

On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:11:03 -0500
Ian Goldberg <ian at cypherpunks.ca> wrote:


> 
> We'd love to have a more up-to-date guide!  Thanks for the offer!
> 

Happy to help, I'm a satisfied OTR user that wants to contribute back
and seeing as I'm not a cryptography expert....

Ananda


From ananda.samaddar at vfemail.net  Mon Mar  2 13:00:48 2009
From: ananda.samaddar at vfemail.net (Ananda Samaddar)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:00:48 +0000
Subject: [OTR-users] Further information and request for comments on OTR
	documentation
Message-ID: <20090302180048.4055b1b2@ananda-desktop>

I'm making good progress on what I'm hoping will be the official OTR
guide.  Here are a few things I'd like to mention about it, please feel
free to comment on them.  Some of the points/questions are mainly FAO
the OTR maintainers.

-The guide only refers to Pidgin and OTR as the Pidgin OTR plugin is
developed by the OTR maintainers.
-All screenshots are from Windows with the 'Windows Classic' theme.
-There is no section for Mac users as of now, I was thinking of simply
adding an FAQ answer advising Mac users to use Adium.
-What is the licensing of the docs / FAQ on the OTR site?  Can I
include the text and/or images from them in the guide?
-The guide is a 'complete' solution in that it also explains how to add
accounts and basic usage of Pidgin, would this need to be removed?
-Can pdf attachments be sent to this list?
-What's the preferred format for the guide when it's ready for
submission LaTeX, Lyx, html?

Also I need to know which protocols work reliably with OTR.  I know
that QQ for example doesn't.  I've personally used MSN, Yahoo and
Jabber with OTR.  I'd like to know if there are any other protocols
that users have successfully used OTR with.

If anyone wants to test MSN, Yahoo, AIM or Jabber with me, please email
me off list.

I also need to know how to install the Pidgin OTR plugin on the
following Linux distros and BSDs, gui and text based installation if
possible:

-Fedora
-OpenSuse
-Mandriva
-Gentoo
-OpenBSD
-FreeBSD
-NetBSD

I personally use Arch and Debian so those two are covered.

thanks,

Ananda


From adam_zimmerman at sfu.ca  Mon Mar  2 15:29:46 2009
From: adam_zimmerman at sfu.ca (Adam Zimmerman)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:29:46 -0800
Subject: [OTR-users] Further information and request for comments on OTR
 documentation
In-Reply-To: <20090302180048.4055b1b2@ananda-desktop>
References: <20090302180048.4055b1b2@ananda-desktop>
Message-ID: <1236025786.6894.7.camel@midnight>

On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 18:00 +0000, Ananda Samaddar wrote:
> -What is the licensing of the docs / FAQ on the OTR site?  Can I
> include the text and/or images from them in the guide?

Any of the docs written by me can be used for whatever purpose. I think
someone once requested for them to be licensed under the GPL and I said
yes, but whatever free doc license you want to use is fine by me as
well.

> Also I need to know which protocols work reliably with OTR.  I know
> that QQ for example doesn't.  I've personally used MSN, Yahoo and
> Jabber with OTR.  I'd like to know if there are any other protocols
> that users have successfully used OTR with.

I've used OTR over AIM successfully quite a few times. If you want to
test with me just send me an email.

--
Adam Zimmerman <adam_zimmerman at sfu.ca>

CREATIVITY  - http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/movingimages/Building_on_the_Past.mpg
ALWAYS      - http://www.musiccreators.ca/
BUILDS      - http://www.ubuntu.com/
ON THE PAST - http://www.theopencd.org/
--

The man who sets out to carry a cat by its tail learns something that
will always be useful and which never will grow dim or doubtful.
		-- Mark Twain



From josh.pruitt at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 19:26:20 2009
From: josh.pruitt at gmail.com (Joshua Pruitt)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:26:20 -0800
Subject: [OTR-users] "Could not find Pidgin"
Message-ID: <d2cd149b0903021626r22169908w462c8955d103f896@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I am trying to install plugin for Windows.

I have Pidgin installed in e:\program files\pidgin.

When I run the plugin installer it says it "could not find Pidgin" and to
"install Pidgin first."

I have tried pointing the installer to the Pidgin folder but it still says
it could not find it.

What is the workaround?

Thanks,

Josh
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From jkotuc at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 11:31:30 2009
From: jkotuc at gmail.com (Jan Kotuc)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:31:30 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] Local installation of pidgin-otr
Message-ID: <49C113D2.1050504@gmail.com>

Hi people,

i struggle with pidgin-otr installation on a school machine, on which i
have no root privileges. I installed libotr first, like this:

./configure --prefix=$HOME/apps/libotr && make && make install

It went okay. Then i wanted to install pidgin-otr and used the following
command:

./configure --prefix=$HOME/apps/pidgin-otr
--with-libotr-prefix=$HOME/apps/libotr/

But it didn't work out. This was the error message:

checking for libotr LIBS...  -L/home/xkotuc1/apps/libotr/ -lotr
checking for libotr headers version 3.x >= 3.2.0... not present.
checking for otrl_message_receiving in -lotr... yes
configure: error: libotr 3.2.0 or newer is required.

No matter which subdir of ~/apps/libotr (i.e. bin, lib, include... ) I
provided in the command, it still didn't work. Ideas, anyone? I'd be
very thankful...

jan



From tommy.b at gmx.net  Wed Mar 18 13:01:55 2009
From: tommy.b at gmx.net (Thomas B)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:01:55 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] Local installation of pidgin-otr
In-Reply-To: <49C113D2.1050504@gmail.com>
References: <49C113D2.1050504@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090318170154.GA10196@tommy-desktop>

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 04:31:30PM +0100, Jan Kotuc wrote:
> Hi people,
> 
> i struggle with pidgin-otr installation on a school machine, on which i
> have no root privileges. I installed libotr first, like this:
> 
> ./configure --prefix=$HOME/apps/libotr && make && make install
> 
> It went okay. Then i wanted to install pidgin-otr and used the following
> command:
> 
> ./configure --prefix=$HOME/apps/pidgin-otr
> --with-libotr-prefix=$HOME/apps/libotr/
> 
> But it didn't work out. This was the error message:
> 
> checking for libotr LIBS...  -L/home/xkotuc1/apps/libotr/ -lotr
> checking for libotr headers version 3.x >= 3.2.0... not present.
> checking for otrl_message_receiving in -lotr... yes
> configure: error: libotr 3.2.0 or newer is required.
> 
> No matter which subdir of ~/apps/libotr (i.e. bin, lib, include... ) I
> provided in the command, it still didn't work. Ideas, anyone? I'd be
> very thankful...

`./configure --help` shows another option --with-libotr-inc-prefix.
Looking into the configure script it seems you have to use both:
--with-libotr-prefix for the lib dir, --with-libotr-inc-prefix for the
include dir. Hope this helps.

Regards,
Thomas



From jkotuc at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 15:07:32 2009
From: jkotuc at gmail.com (Jan Kotuc)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:07:32 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] Local installation of pidgin-otr
In-Reply-To: <20090318170154.GA10196@tommy-desktop>
References: <49C113D2.1050504@gmail.com> <20090318170154.GA10196@tommy-desktop>
Message-ID: <49C14674.8090400@gmail.com>

Thanks a lot, that helped, but now i face another problem, hopefully the
last one. ./configure for pidgin-otr still doesn't succeed. Instead, it
prints this error message in the end:

~~~~

checking for EXTRA... configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0
>= 2.6 gtk+-2.0 >= 2.6 pidgin >= 2.0 purple >= 2.0) were not met:

No package 'pidgin' found
No package 'purple' found

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables EXTRA_CFLAGS
and EXTRA_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.

~~~~

That sort of puzzles me, because i'm sure there IS pidgin normally
installed, since i use it every day :)
Is there a workaround available? TIA for any help.

jan

Thomas B wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 04:31:30PM +0100, Jan Kotuc wrote:
>> Hi people,
>>
>> i struggle with pidgin-otr installation on a school machine, on which i
>> have no root privileges. I installed libotr first, like this:
>>
>> ./configure --prefix=$HOME/apps/libotr && make && make install
>>
>> It went okay. Then i wanted to install pidgin-otr and used the following
>> command:
>>
>> ./configure --prefix=$HOME/apps/pidgin-otr
>> --with-libotr-prefix=$HOME/apps/libotr/
>>
>> But it didn't work out. This was the error message:
>>
>> checking for libotr LIBS...  -L/home/xkotuc1/apps/libotr/ -lotr
>> checking for libotr headers version 3.x >= 3.2.0... not present.
>> checking for otrl_message_receiving in -lotr... yes
>> configure: error: libotr 3.2.0 or newer is required.
>>
>> No matter which subdir of ~/apps/libotr (i.e. bin, lib, include... ) I
>> provided in the command, it still didn't work. Ideas, anyone? I'd be
>> very thankful...
> 
> `./configure --help` shows another option --with-libotr-inc-prefix.
> Looking into the configure script it seems you have to use both:
> --with-libotr-prefix for the lib dir, --with-libotr-inc-prefix for the
> include dir. Hope this helps.
> 
> Regards,
> Thomas
> 
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
> 



From Carli-Eckert at gmx.de  Wed Mar 18 17:15:48 2009
From: Carli-Eckert at gmx.de (Carlchristian Eckert)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:15:48 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] non-ASCII characters
Message-ID: <49C16484.7030007@gmx.de>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi there,
I'm from Germany and just started to use otr. My friend and I found out
quite soon that characters like ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ? and ? were not
supported in PrivateConnections.
Example: When I type something like "foo?bar", my friend recieves just
"foo".
Is there any bugfix available or something that would work anyway? (its
not easy to check every single message before sending it)

thanks in advance,
C
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From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Wed Mar 18 17:33:43 2009
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:33:43 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] non-ASCII characters
In-Reply-To: <49C16484.7030007@gmx.de>
References: <49C16484.7030007@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20090318213343.GP28398@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:15:48PM +0100, Carlchristian Eckert wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hi there,
> I'm from Germany and just started to use otr. My friend and I found out
> quite soon that characters like ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ? and ? were not
> supported in PrivateConnections.
> Example: When I type something like "foo?bar", my friend recieves just
> "foo".
> Is there any bugfix available or something that would work anyway? (its
> not easy to check every single message before sending it)

What OS and software are each of you using?  Non-ASCII characters work
properly in Pidgin with OTR for sure, and they at least used to for
OTRProxy (though it's possible it doesn't work with some specific IM
clients we didn't test).

There are certainly lots of German OTR users, who presumably don't run
into this problem.

   - Ian


From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Wed Mar 18 17:36:07 2009
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:36:07 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] Local installation of pidgin-otr
In-Reply-To: <49C14674.8090400@gmail.com>
References: <49C113D2.1050504@gmail.com> <20090318170154.GA10196@tommy-desktop>
	<49C14674.8090400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090318213607.GQ28398@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:07:32PM +0100, Jan Kotuc wrote:
> Thanks a lot, that helped, but now i face another problem, hopefully the
> last one. ./configure for pidgin-otr still doesn't succeed. Instead, it
> prints this error message in the end:
> 
> ~~~~
> 
> checking for EXTRA... configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0
> >= 2.6 gtk+-2.0 >= 2.6 pidgin >= 2.0 purple >= 2.0) were not met:
> 
> No package 'pidgin' found
> No package 'purple' found
> 
> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
> 
> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables EXTRA_CFLAGS
> and EXTRA_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
> See the pkg-config man page for more details.
> 
> ~~~~
> 
> That sort of puzzles me, because i'm sure there IS pidgin normally
> installed, since i use it every day :)
> Is there a workaround available? TIA for any help.

You probably have pidgin installed, but not the development bits you
need to build pidgin plugins like pidgin-otr.  You should have the files
pidgin.pc and purple.pc somwhere like /usr/lib/pkgconfig or
/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig.

   - Ian


From breaux at users.sourceforge.net  Wed Mar 18 18:02:30 2009
From: breaux at users.sourceforge.net (Doug Breaux)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:02:30 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Dropped large messages with Pidgin 2.5.5, OTR plugin,
	and Yahoo
Message-ID: <49C16F76.10206@users.sourceforge.net>

I'm not sure when this started, but I did recently upgrade my Pidgin to 2.5.5 and I know that now if I send large messages encrypted with OTR over Yahoo (problem seemed to not occur over GTalk), they are dropped silently.

I used to at least see a string of error messages when this kind of defect existed, but now neither I nor the recipient receive any indication at all.  (Me that there was a problem or him that any message was sent.)

Doug




From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Wed Mar 18 18:12:00 2009
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:12:00 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] Dropped large messages with Pidgin 2.5.5, OTR	plugin,
	and Yahoo
In-Reply-To: <49C16F76.10206@users.sourceforge.net>
References: <49C16F76.10206@users.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <20090318221200.GT28398@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 05:02:30PM -0500, Doug Breaux wrote:
> I'm not sure when this started, but I did recently upgrade my Pidgin
> to 2.5.5 and I know that now if I send large messages encrypted with
> OTR over Yahoo (problem seemed to not occur over GTalk), they are
> dropped silently.
> 
> I used to at least see a string of error messages when this kind of
> defect existed, but now neither I nor the recipient receive any
> indication at all.  (Me that there was a problem or him that any
> message was sent.)

Weird.  It sounds like the max message size of the Yahoo protocol has
gotten smaller (or maybe pidgin 2.5.5 adds more overhead?).

You can try this:

In your pidgin/purple directory (the same directory your
otr.private_keys file is in), make a text file called
otr.max_message_size and put this line in it:

prpl-yahoo	800

that's a tab between the protocol name and the number.

See if that works.  Try slightly smaller numbers if it doesn't.  [The
default for yahoo is 832.]

Please report back if making this number smaller fixes things.  (Or if
it doesn't, I guess.)

Thanks,

   - Ian


From alexander.buchner at gmx.de  Wed Mar 18 18:28:20 2009
From: alexander.buchner at gmx.de (Alexander Buchner)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:28:20 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] non-ASCII characters
In-Reply-To: <20090318213343.GP28398@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <49C16484.7030007@gmx.de>
	<20090318213343.GP28398@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <49C17584.8010702@gmx.de>

Ian Goldberg wrote:
> What OS and software are each of you using?  Non-ASCII characters work
> properly in Pidgin with OTR for sure, and they at least used to for
> OTRProxy (though it's possible it doesn't work with some specific IM
> clients we didn't test).
> 
> There are certainly lots of German OTR users, who presumably don't run
> into this problem.
> 
>    - Ian


I can confirm that Pidgin with OTR is able to send messages including ?,?,?
characters without any problems
I use Pidgin 2.5.5, OTR 3.2.0 under Windows XP SP 3 and yes, I am from Germany.

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From Carli-Eckert at gmx.de  Wed Mar 18 18:37:40 2009
From: Carli-Eckert at gmx.de (Carlchristian Eckert)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:37:40 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] non-ASCII characters
In-Reply-To: <20090318213343.GP28398@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <49C16484.7030007@gmx.de>
	<20090318213343.GP28398@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <49C177B4.1060408@gmx.de>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi,
My friend and I are both using Windows Vista. I've Trillian as ICQ
client and my friend uses QIP. We're using version "Windows (0.3.1)".
is the version too old? is there any other (maybe easy to use, since
most of my friends would be scared if there is much trouble at the
installation) possibilty to use OTR with trillian/etc. ?

thanks a lot!
greetings, C




Ian Goldberg schrieb:
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:15:48PM +0100, Carlchristian Eckert wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Hi there,
>> I'm from Germany and just started to use otr. My friend and I found out
>> quite soon that characters like ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ? and ? were not
>> supported in PrivateConnections.
>> Example: When I type something like "foo?bar", my friend recieves just
>> "foo".
>> Is there any bugfix available or something that would work anyway? (its
>> not easy to check every single message before sending it)
> 
> What OS and software are each of you using?  Non-ASCII characters work
> properly in Pidgin with OTR for sure, and they at least used to for
> OTRProxy (though it's possible it doesn't work with some specific IM
> clients we didn't test).
> 
> There are certainly lots of German OTR users, who presumably don't run
> into this problem.
> 
>    - Ian
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users

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From konrad at tylerc.org  Wed Mar 18 19:35:32 2009
From: konrad at tylerc.org (Conrad Meyer)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:35:32 -0700
Subject: [OTR-users]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?Dropped_large_messages_with_Pidgin_2?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=2E5=2E5=2C_OTR=09plugin_=2C_and_Yahoo?=
In-Reply-To: <20090318221200.GT28398@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <49C16F76.10206@users.sourceforge.net>
	<20090318221200.GT28398@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <200903181635.32927.konrad@tylerc.org>

On Wednesday 18 March 2009 03:12:00 pm Ian Goldberg wrote:
> prpl-yahoo	800
>
> that's a tab between the protocol name and the number.

Could that be made into something like /\s+/ (i.e. any number (greater than 
zero) of whitespace characters other than newline)? It's hard to type a tab if 
you have your editor configured for two-space tabs. (And it's not like it 
would break existing configurations.)

Thanks,
-- 
Conrad Meyer <konrad at tylerc.org>



From perrin at apotheon.com  Wed Mar 18 23:43:11 2009
From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:43:11 -0600
Subject: [OTR-users] Further information and request for comments on OTR
	documentation
In-Reply-To: <20090302180048.4055b1b2@ananda-desktop>
References: <20090302180048.4055b1b2@ananda-desktop>
Message-ID: <20090319034311.GA64171@kokopelli.hydra>

On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 06:00:48PM +0000, Ananda Samaddar wrote:
> 
> Also I need to know which protocols work reliably with OTR.  I know
> that QQ for example doesn't.  I've personally used MSN, Yahoo and
> Jabber with OTR.  I'd like to know if there are any other protocols
> that users have successfully used OTR with.
> 
> If anyone wants to test MSN, Yahoo, AIM or Jabber with me, please email
> me off list.

I successfully use Pidgin+OTR with Y!M, AIM, and GTalk fairly regularly.
I'm pretty sure I've used it with ICQ a fair bit, too, but right now I
just can't swear to it.  I know I've used it with MSN a lot, but then I
stopped using MSN entirely.  If you want to test Y!M, AIM, ICQ, or GTalk
with me, feel free to email me off-list.


> 
> I also need to know how to install the Pidgin OTR plugin on the
> following Linux distros and BSDs, gui and text based installation if
> possible:
> 
> -Fedora
> -OpenSuse
> -Mandriva
> -Gentoo
> -OpenBSD
> -FreeBSD
> -NetBSD

What exactly do you need to know?  I use Pidgin+OTR on my laptop running
FreeBSD.

-- 
Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]
Common Reformulation of Greenspun's Tenth Rule:  Any sufficiently
complicated non-Lisp program contains an ad hoc informally-specified
bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp.
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From chefbender at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 10:11:34 2009
From: chefbender at gmail.com (Dan Bondarev)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:11:34 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] Authentication Errors
Message-ID: <e811d5dd0903190711y164e0be6nb9aeaf27af65c0c0@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to authenticate a conversation, and otr keeps getting stuck on
'waiting for buddy...' during the auth. process.
I'm using pidin 2.5.5 and otr 3.2.0.1 on winxp, so is my friend,
conversation is over aim
After either one of us sends a question/answer or shared secret request and
the other answers, it just hangs there for a while before saying there was
an error with authentication.  Unfortunately manual authentication is not an
option at the moment.
Strange thing is, everything worked fine earlier with another buddy, almost
exactly the same conditions, but no error
Thanks for any help,
   -Dan
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From chefbender at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 10:27:07 2009
From: chefbender at gmail.com (Dan Bondarev)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:27:07 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] Authentication Errors
In-Reply-To: <49C254FD.7040303@vfemail.net>
References: <e811d5dd0903190711y164e0be6nb9aeaf27af65c0c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<49C254FD.7040303@vfemail.net>
Message-ID: <e811d5dd0903190727s3956e92ct3eee561870f99e23@mail.gmail.com>

Pidgin: 2.5.5
otr: 3.2.0.1
os: winxp
protocol: ...not sure but it's aim connecting to
login.messaging.aol.com:5190
my friend has the exact same setup

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Ananda Samaddar <
ananda.samaddar at vfemail.net> wrote:

> Dan Bondarev wrote:
> > I'm trying to authenticate a conversation, and otr keeps getting stuck on
> > 'waiting for buddy...' during the auth. process.
> > I'm using *pidin 2.5.5 and otr 3.2.0.1 on winxp, so is my friend,
> > conversation is over aim*
> > After either one of us sends a question/answer or shared secret request
> and
> > the other answers, it just hangs there for a while before saying there
> was
> > an error with authentication.  Unfortunately manual authentication is not
> an
> > option at the moment.
> > Strange thing is, everything worked fine earlier with another buddy,
> almost
> > exactly the same conditions, but no error
> > Thanks for any help,
> >    -Dan
> >
>
> We need to know what version of Pidgin and OTR your friend is using and
> what IM protocol you're using too.
>
>
> Ananda
>
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From breaux at users.sourceforge.net  Thu Mar 19 10:28:44 2009
From: breaux at users.sourceforge.net (Doug Breaux)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:28:44 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Dropped large messages with Pidgin 2.5.5, OTR	plugin,
 and Yahoo
In-Reply-To: <20090318221200.GT28398@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <49C16F76.10206@users.sourceforge.net>
	<20090318221200.GT28398@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <49C2569C.4060101@users.sourceforge.net>

Ian Goldberg wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 05:02:30PM -0500, Doug Breaux wrote:
>   
>> I'm not sure when this started, but I did recently upgrade my Pidgin
>> to 2.5.5 and I know that now if I send large messages encrypted with
>> OTR over Yahoo (problem seemed to not occur over GTalk), they are
>> dropped silently.
>>
>> I used to at least see a string of error messages when this kind of
>> defect existed, but now neither I nor the recipient receive any
>> indication at all.  (Me that there was a problem or him that any
>> message was sent.)
>>     
>
> Weird.  It sounds like the max message size of the Yahoo protocol has
> gotten smaller (or maybe pidgin 2.5.5 adds more overhead?).
>
> You can try this:
>
> In your pidgin/purple directory (the same directory your
> otr.private_keys file is in), make a text file called
> otr.max_message_size and put this line in it:
>
> prpl-yahoo	800
>
> that's a tab between the protocol name and the number.
>
> See if that works.  Try slightly smaller numbers if it doesn't.  [The
> default for yahoo is 832.]
>
> Please report back if making this number smaller fixes things.  (Or if
> it doesn't, I guess.)
>
> Thanks,
>
>    - Ian
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>   
Ok, thanks for at least something to try.  I'll have to wait until my
"test partner" is back from vacation, but we'll try to
see if we can find the limit.

Doug




From ananda.samaddar at vfemail.net  Thu Mar 19 10:38:36 2009
From: ananda.samaddar at vfemail.net (Ananda Samaddar)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:38:36 +0000
Subject: [OTR-users] Authentication Errors
In-Reply-To: <e811d5dd0903190727s3956e92ct3eee561870f99e23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e811d5dd0903190711y164e0be6nb9aeaf27af65c0c0@mail.gmail.com>	<49C254FD.7040303@vfemail.net>
	<e811d5dd0903190727s3956e92ct3eee561870f99e23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49C258EC.1000305@vfemail.net>

Dan Bondarev wrote:
> Pidgin: 2.5.5
> otr: 3.2.0.1
> os: winxp
> protocol: ...not sure but it's aim connecting to
> login.messaging.aol.com:5190
> my friend has the exact same setup
> 

Strange.  Depending on how technical you are there are ways to find out
what's going on.  The problem may well be on your friend's end though if
you say you've authenticated with a different contact before.  I've got
an AIM account if you want to email me off list and see if
authentication works.  I've got the same Pidgin and OTR versions as you.
  Also it would be helpful if you didn't top-post on a mailing list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_posting#Top-posting

Ananda




From chefbender at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 15:02:49 2009
From: chefbender at gmail.com (Dan Bondarev)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:02:49 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] Authentication Errors
In-Reply-To: <e811d5dd0903190727s3956e92ct3eee561870f99e23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e811d5dd0903190711y164e0be6nb9aeaf27af65c0c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<49C254FD.7040303@vfemail.net>
	<e811d5dd0903190727s3956e92ct3eee561870f99e23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e811d5dd0903191202q1463f11cnb4bf22654c63a8dc@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Dan Bondarev <chefbender at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pidgin: 2.5.5
> otr: 3.2.0.1
> os: winxp
> protocol: ...not sure but it's aim connecting to
> login.messaging.aol.com:5190
> my friend has the exact same setup
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Ananda Samaddar <
> ananda.samaddar at vfemail.net> wrote:
>
>> Dan Bondarev wrote:
>> > I'm trying to authenticate a conversation, and otr keeps getting stuck
>> on
>> > 'waiting for buddy...' during the auth. process.
>> > I'm using *pidin 2.5.5 and otr 3.2.0.1 on winxp, so is my friend,
>> > conversation is over aim*
>> > After either one of us sends a question/answer or shared secret request
>> and
>> > the other answers, it just hangs there for a while before saying there
>> was
>> > an error with authentication.  Unfortunately manual authentication is
>> not an
>> > option at the moment.
>> > Strange thing is, everything worked fine earlier with another buddy,
>> almost
>> > exactly the same conditions, but no error
>> > Thanks for any help,
>> >    -Dan
>> >
>>
>> We need to know what version of Pidgin and OTR your friend is using and
>> what IM protocol you're using too.
>>
>>
>> Ananda
>
>
Pidgin: 2.5.5otr: 3.2.0.1
os: winxp
protocol: ...not sure but it's aim connecting to
login.messaging.aol.com:5190
my friend has the exact same setup

Shared Secret and Question/Answer authentication both failed, but manual
fingerprint confirmation worked
Authentication works normally on google chat accounts in pidgin, and I can
authenticate fine on aim with other users.
Not sure if this is indicative of anything, but the progress bar for
authentication gets stuck at a very early point before timing out.  He's on
a corporate network, but I can't get too much more info than that on his
connection for obvious reasons.
Thanks again,
     -Dan
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From ananda.samaddar at vfemail.net  Thu Mar 19 16:15:16 2009
From: ananda.samaddar at vfemail.net (Ananda Samaddar)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:15:16 +0000
Subject: [OTR-users] Authentication Errors
In-Reply-To: <e811d5dd0903191202q1463f11cnb4bf22654c63a8dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e811d5dd0903190711y164e0be6nb9aeaf27af65c0c0@mail.gmail.com>	<49C254FD.7040303@vfemail.net>	<e811d5dd0903190727s3956e92ct3eee561870f99e23@mail.gmail.com>
	<e811d5dd0903191202q1463f11cnb4bf22654c63a8dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49C2A7D4.9040902@vfemail.net>

Dan Bondarev wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Dan Bondarev <chefbender at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Pidgin: 2.5.5
>> otr: 3.2.0.1
>> os: winxp
>> protocol: ...not sure but it's aim connecting to
>> login.messaging.aol.com:5190
>> my friend has the exact same setup
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Ananda Samaddar <
>> ananda.samaddar at vfemail.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dan Bondarev wrote:
>>>> I'm trying to authenticate a conversation, and otr keeps getting stuck
>>> on
>>>> 'waiting for buddy...' during the auth. process.
>>>> I'm using *pidin 2.5.5 and otr 3.2.0.1 on winxp, so is my friend,
>>>> conversation is over aim*
>>>> After either one of us sends a question/answer or shared secret request
>>> and
>>>> the other answers, it just hangs there for a while before saying there
>>> was
>>>> an error with authentication.  Unfortunately manual authentication is
>>> not an
>>>> option at the moment.
>>>> Strange thing is, everything worked fine earlier with another buddy,
>>> almost
>>>> exactly the same conditions, but no error
>>>> Thanks for any help,
>>>>    -Dan
>>>>
>>> We need to know what version of Pidgin and OTR your friend is using and
>>> what IM protocol you're using too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ananda
>>
> Pidgin: 2.5.5otr: 3.2.0.1
> os: winxp
> protocol: ...not sure but it's aim connecting to
> login.messaging.aol.com:5190
> my friend has the exact same setup
> 
> Shared Secret and Question/Answer authentication both failed, but manual
> fingerprint confirmation worked
> Authentication works normally on google chat accounts in pidgin, and I can
> authenticate fine on aim with other users.
> Not sure if this is indicative of anything, but the progress bar for
> authentication gets stuck at a very early point before timing out.  He's on
> a corporate network, but I can't get too much more info than that on his
> connection for obvious reasons.
> Thanks again,
>      -Dan
> 
> 

So you're saying that under the same conditions with your friend on
corporate network you can authenticate over Gtalk (which is just jabber
anyway)?  To be honest you might want to just consider using that
instead of proprietary crap like the AIM service anyway.  If your friend
is behind a corporate network he can sign up for an account at jabber80.com.

Ananda


From kat at paip.net  Thu Mar 19 17:13:10 2009
From: kat at paip.net (Kat Hanna)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:13:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [OTR-users] Dropped large messages with Pidgin 2.5.5,
 OTR	plugin , and Yahoo
In-Reply-To: <200903181635.32927.konrad@tylerc.org>
References: <49C16F76.10206@users.sourceforge.net>
	<20090318221200.GT28398@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	<200903181635.32927.konrad@tylerc.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0903191704460.16593@marshall.paip.net>

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Conrad Meyer wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 March 2009 03:12:00 pm Ian Goldberg wrote:
>> prpl-yahoo	800
>>
>> that's a tab between the protocol name and the number.
>
> Could that be made into something like /\s+/ (i.e. any number (greater than
> zero) of whitespace characters other than newline)? It's hard to type a tab if
> you have your editor configured for two-space tabs. (And it's not like it
> would break existing configurations.)

I was having that exact conversation with Ian when your email arrived.
The reason he implemented it as a tab is that some protocol names have
spaces in them.

I'm suggesting using '=' as the delimiter.

  -Kat


From konrad at tylerc.org  Thu Mar 19 17:29:52 2009
From: konrad at tylerc.org (Conrad Meyer)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:29:52 -0700
Subject: [OTR-users]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?Dropped_large_messages_with_Pidgin_2?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=2E5=2E5=2C_OTR=09plugin_=2C_and_Yahoo?=
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0903191704460.16593@marshall.paip.net>
References: <49C16F76.10206@users.sourceforge.net>
	<200903181635.32927.konrad@tylerc.org>
	<alpine.DEB.1.00.0903191704460.16593@marshall.paip.net>
Message-ID: <200903191429.52165.konrad@tylerc.org>

On Thursday 19 March 2009 02:13:10 pm Kat Hanna wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Conrad Meyer wrote:
> > On Wednesday 18 March 2009 03:12:00 pm Ian Goldberg wrote:
> >> prpl-yahoo	800
> >>
> >> that's a tab between the protocol name and the number.
> >
> > Could that be made into something like /\s+/ (i.e. any number (greater
> > than zero) of whitespace characters other than newline)? It's hard to
> > type a tab if you have your editor configured for two-space tabs. (And
> > it's not like it would break existing configurations.)
>
> I was having that exact conversation with Ian when your email arrived.
> The reason he implemented it as a tab is that some protocol names have
> spaces in them.
>
> I'm suggesting using '=' as the delimiter.

Yes, if the protocol names can contain spaces then using a different kind of 
space for the deliminator in the file would be very confusing. I like your 
suggestion.

Regards,
-- 
Conrad Meyer <konrad at tylerc.org>