From readytogo2 at freenet.de  Fri Feb  2 19:01:11 2007
From: readytogo2 at freenet.de (readytogo2)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 01:01:11 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] @developers, may I create a german OTR website?
In-Reply-To: <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de> <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de>

Yes. Two trees of source isn`t a good idea. Is gettext the most common
way to create multilang projects? It doesn`t seam that easy.

my nomination:
- Default lagunage: English.
- Inside the sourcecode you use variables instant of text for one of the
next versions of otr.
- The variabels will load before. Load lang_standard (english).
- If the user changes languange to it`s native one you will load
lang_native and overwrite most (incase not everything is translated) or
all old lang variabels (if everything is translated well).

Hard to explain this with my little programming experience. I hope I
could make clear what I mean. However, it won`t be to much new code to
write for multilang support as there is not so much text right now.


From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Fri Feb  2 22:11:34 2007
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 22:11:34 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] @developers, may I create a german OTR website?
In-Reply-To: <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de> <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com> <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <20070203031134.GD6152@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 01:01:11AM +0100, readytogo2 wrote:
> Yes. Two trees of source isn`t a good idea. Is gettext the most common
> way to create multilang projects? It doesn`t seam that easy.
> 
> my nomination:
> - Default lagunage: English.
> - Inside the sourcecode you use variables instant of text for one of the
> next versions of otr.
> - The variabels will load before. Load lang_standard (english).
> - If the user changes languange to it`s native one you will load
> lang_native and overwrite most (incase not everything is translated) or
> all old lang variabels (if everything is translated well).
> 
> Hard to explain this with my little programming experience. I hope I
> could make clear what I mean. However, it won`t be to much new code to
> write for multilang support as there is not so much text right now.

gettext really is the standard way to do this, though I've never used
it before, myself.  But if someone has done this before, I'd be happy to
incorporate it.

   - Ian


From readytogo2 at freenet.de  Tue Feb  6 12:27:45 2007
From: readytogo2 at freenet.de (readytogo2)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:27:45 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] @developers, may I create a german OTR website?
In-Reply-To: <20070203031134.GD6152@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de> <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com> <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de> <20070203031134.GD6152@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de>

Well. I really want to translate it. But two trees of source are the
wrong way.

Gettext seams really complicated. Would be really nice if someone could
give me a short how to gettext...



From nikita at uiuc.edu  Tue Feb  6 13:07:57 2007
From: nikita at uiuc.edu (Nikita Borisov)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:07:57 -0600
Subject: [OTR-users] @developers, may I create a german OTR website?
In-Reply-To: <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de>
	 <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com>
	 <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de>
	 <20070203031134.GD6152@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <16f0378d0702061007k4a4ed0cft397ad93955033c04@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe you could start by providing us with a translation of all the
messages in the source and we can look for another volunteer to figure
out the actual gettext() part.

- Nikita

On 2/6/07, readytogo2 <readytogo2 at freenet.de> wrote:
> Well. I really want to translate it. But two trees of source are the
> wrong way.
>
> Gettext seams really complicated. Would be really nice if someone could
> give me a short how to gettext...
>
> _______________________________________________
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> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>


-- 
Nikita Borisov - http://www.crhc.uiuc.edu/~nikita/
Assistant Professor, Electrical and Computer Engineering
Tel: (217) 244-5385, Office: 460 CSL


From marti at juffo.org  Tue Feb  6 14:42:24 2007
From: marti at juffo.org (Marti)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:42:24 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] @developers, may I create a german OTR website?
In-Reply-To: <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de>
	 <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com>
	 <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de>
	 <20070203031134.GD6152@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <2a12af650702061142qa8ed163ud6fccc346a7eb72b@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/6/07, readytogo2 <readytogo2 at freenet.de> wrote:
> Gettext seams really complicated. Would be really nice if someone could
> give me a short how to gettext...

Here is a decent-looking tutorial:
http://oriya.sarovar.org/docs/gettext/

More to be found at:
http://www.google.com/search?q=gettext+tutorial

Marti


From stefan at slapeta.com  Wed Feb  7 01:55:40 2007
From: stefan at slapeta.com (Stefan Slapeta)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:55:40 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [OTR-users] Transfer private key
Message-ID: <36303.195.245.92.72.1170831340.squirrel@maxima.xvveb.net>

Hi all,

is there any way how to transfer the private key (fingerprint) from one
machine to another?

BTW, is there any news server or something like this where past messages
of this list can be read?


thanks, stefan



From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Wed Feb  7 08:46:44 2007
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:46:44 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Transfer private key
In-Reply-To: <36303.195.245.92.72.1170831340.squirrel@maxima.xvveb.net>
References: <36303.195.245.92.72.1170831340.squirrel@maxima.xvveb.net>
Message-ID: <20070207134644.GJ6063@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:55:40AM +0100, Stefan Slapeta wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> is there any way how to transfer the private key (fingerprint) from one
> machine to another?

Sure.  Just copy over the otr.privatye_key file that's in your gaim
directory.

> BTW, is there any news server or something like this where past messages
> of this list can be read?

http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users/ has a link to
the archives at the top.

   - Ian


From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Wed Feb  7 09:33:47 2007
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:33:47 +0000
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage
In-Reply-To: <20070124230744.GS16711@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <45B11B33.6070201@yahoo.com> <20070119205037.5e9a5985@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <45B13308.9030402@yahoo.com> <45B78FC1.7040508@fenrir.org.uk> <20070124225013.GQ16711@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45B7E531.2060003@yahoo.com> <20070124230744.GS16711@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <45C9E34B.6030402@fenrir.org.uk>

Ian Goldberg wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 06:01:05PM -0500, Torrey McMahon wrote:
>>> I haven't had a chance to look into it yet, but from the description of
>>> the problem, it seems that some serious re-coding will need to be done
>>> in order to put the OTR menu somewhere accessible (like in the menu bar,
>>> say).  It's not a matter of simply recompiling.
>> A menu option is a good idea down the road. Getting the icon back where 
>> it was is the immediate need.
> 
> Good idea.  Can anyone take a look at what changed in b6 and make a
> patch?  I'm swamped until the 5th, but I could probably build the new
> version if someone sent in a patch.

Any update on this situation? I haven't seen anything elsewhere about
what changed (or why!), so trying to identify where the problems lie is
outside my knowledge and experience I'm afraid.

-- 

Brian Morrison

bdm at fenrir.org.uk


From tmcmahon2 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  7 11:18:29 2007
From: tmcmahon2 at yahoo.com (Torrey McMahon)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:18:29 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage
In-Reply-To: <45C9E34B.6030402@fenrir.org.uk>
References: <45B11B33.6070201@yahoo.com> <20070119205037.5e9a5985@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <45B13308.9030402@yahoo.com> <45B78FC1.7040508@fenrir.org.uk> <20070124225013.GQ16711@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45B7E531.2060003@yahoo.com> <20070124230744.GS16711@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45C9E34B.6030402@fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <45C9FBD5.9070606@yahoo.com>

Brian Morrison wrote:
> Ian Goldberg wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 06:01:05PM -0500, Torrey McMahon wrote:
>>     
>>>> I haven't had a chance to look into it yet, but from the description of
>>>> the problem, it seems that some serious re-coding will need to be done
>>>> in order to put the OTR menu somewhere accessible (like in the menu bar,
>>>> say).  It's not a matter of simply recompiling.
>>>>         
>>> A menu option is a good idea down the road. Getting the icon back where 
>>> it was is the immediate need.
>>>       
>> Good idea.  Can anyone take a look at what changed in b6 and make a
>> patch?  I'm swamped until the 5th, but I could probably build the new
>> version if someone sent in a patch.
>>     
>
> Any update on this situation? I haven't seen anything elsewhere about
> what changed (or why!), so trying to identify where the problems lie is
> outside my knowledge and experience I'm afraid.

Well I did learn that you can verify signatures via the plugin 
preferences so the need isn't that great. However, gaim2 should be out 
real soon now. I'd just wait for it before doing any work. The gaim team 
changes a lot of stuff from build to build.



From Tommy.B at gmx.net  Wed Feb  7 16:39:14 2007
From: Tommy.B at gmx.net (Thomas B.)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:39:14 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] @developers, may I create a german OTR website?
In-Reply-To: <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de> <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com> <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de> <20070203031134.GD6152@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <45CA4702.8010804@gmx.net>

Hi!

readytogo2 wrote:
> Gettext seams really complicated. Would be really nice if someone could
> give me a short how to gettext...
>   

In the Gaim API documentation, I found this very compact how-to
specifically about the internationalisation of Gaim plugins, which might
be helpful:

http://gaim.sourceforge.net/api/plugin-i18n.html

Also, I would be willing to volunteer and put internationalisation
support into the code of gaim-otr and libotr. I don't have much
experience with gettext either, but after having read some docs and
played around a bit with the code, I think I could do that. Unless, of
course, somebody else wants to do it, maybe even someone with actual
experience with internationalisation ;-)

Thomas



From tronica at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 17:06:01 2007
From: tronica at gmail.com (Monica Barratt)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:06:01 +1100
Subject: [OTR-users] Testing Gaim 2 beta 5 with OTR (on WinXP)
Message-ID: <f4ac21fb0702071406m7cdd4ec3ie962e23cb2d17617@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there

I've just discovered Gaim and OTR. I've had a few conversations on Gaim
which were fine and have basically worked out how to use it. However I'd
like to test out OTR with someone - to see if I have it set up correctly. If
anyone has the time to quickly test it with me, you can message me at either
94669246 (icq) or tronica at gmail.com (gtalk) or monbarratt at hotmail.com (msn).


One thing I haven't been able to work out in Gaim, is how to change the
automatic location of conversation logs/history. I use Truecrypt as an
encrypted drive for my data, but I haven't been able to find a way to
instruct Gaim to save my logs to the encrypted drive. I've had no response
on the Gaim user forum, so I wondered if anyone here could tell me whether
this can be done (and if so, how).

Thanks for your help

Monica
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From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Wed Feb  7 17:28:48 2007
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:28:48 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] @developers, may I create a german OTR website?
In-Reply-To: <45CA4702.8010804@gmx.net>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de> <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com> <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de> <20070203031134.GD6152@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de> <45CA4702.8010804@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20070207222848.GL6063@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 10:39:14PM +0100, Thomas B. wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> readytogo2 wrote:
> > Gettext seams really complicated. Would be really nice if someone could
> > give me a short how to gettext...
> >   
> 
> In the Gaim API documentation, I found this very compact how-to
> specifically about the internationalisation of Gaim plugins, which might
> be helpful:
> 
> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/api/plugin-i18n.html
> 
> Also, I would be willing to volunteer and put internationalisation
> support into the code of gaim-otr and libotr. I don't have much
> experience with gettext either, but after having read some docs and
> played around a bit with the code, I think I could do that. Unless, of
> course, somebody else wants to do it, maybe even someone with actual
> experience with internationalisation ;-)

That would be excellent!  If you work against the current CVS on
sourceforge, you can just do "cvs diff -u" to send the patch.

Thanks!

   - Ian


From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Wed Feb  7 23:12:03 2007
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 05:12:03 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [OTR-users] @developers, may I create a german OTR website?
In-Reply-To: <20070207222848.GL6063@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de> <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com>
 <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de> <20070203031134.GD6152@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
 <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de> <45CA4702.8010804@gmx.net>
 <20070207222848.GL6063@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702080511120.29631@tla.xelerance.com>

On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Ian Goldberg wrote:

> > Also, I would be willing to volunteer and put internationalisation
> > support into the code of gaim-otr and libotr. I don't have much
> > experience with gettext either, but after having read some docs and
> > played around a bit with the code, I think I could do that. Unless, of
> > course, somebody else wants to do it, maybe even someone with actual
> > experience with internationalisation ;-)
>
> That would be excellent!  If you work against the current CVS on
> sourceforge, you can just do "cvs diff -u" to send the patch.

I'll commit to getting Dutch and German in as translations and
maintain those.

Paul


From Tommy.B at gmx.net  Thu Feb  8 11:48:26 2007
From: Tommy.B at gmx.net (Thomas B.)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:48:26 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] @developers, may I create a german OTR website?
In-Reply-To: <20070207222848.GL6063@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de> <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com> <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de> <20070203031134.GD6152@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de> <45CA4702.8010804@gmx.net> <20070207222848.GL6063@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <45CB545A.5000908@gmx.net>

Ian Goldberg wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 10:39:14PM +0100, Thomas B. wrote:
>   
>> Also, I would be willing to volunteer and put internationalisation
>> support into the code of gaim-otr and libotr. I don't have much
>> experience with gettext either, but after having read some docs and
>> played around a bit with the code, I think I could do that. Unless, of
>> course, somebody else wants to do it, maybe even someone with actual
>> experience with internationalisation ;-)
>>     
>
> That would be excellent!  If you work against the current CVS on
> sourceforge, you can just do "cvs diff -u" to send the patch.
>   

All right, so if no one objects, I'll start working on that and hope to
have a patch ready soon.

Thomas



From rbrt_ryn at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  8 12:14:44 2007
From: rbrt_ryn at yahoo.com (Robert Ryan)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 10:14:44 -0700
Subject: [OTR-users] Testing Gaim 2 beta 5 with OTR (on WinXP)
In-Reply-To: <f4ac21fb0702071406m7cdd4ec3ie962e23cb2d17617@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f4ac21fb0702071406m7cdd4ec3ie962e23cb2d17617@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45CB5A84.6040908@yahoo.com>

Monica Barratt wrote:
> One thing I haven't been able to work out in Gaim, is how to change the
> automatic location of conversation logs/history.

You can change this by setting the GAIMHOME environment variable. I
think the file you want to add this to is named gaimsettings.ini. See
the Windows gaim FAQ : http://gaim.sourceforge.net/win32/index.php#faq

You might also check out the portable version of gaim:
http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/gaim_portable

In the portable version the logs are written to a sub-folder of the
application folder.
-- 
Robert Ryan
Thunderbird + Enigmail + GnuPG
Gaim + OTR




From tronica at gmail.com  Thu Feb  8 18:25:40 2007
From: tronica at gmail.com (Monica Barratt)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:25:40 +1100
Subject: [OTR-users] Testing Gaim 2 beta 5 with OTR (on WinXP)
In-Reply-To: <45CB5A84.6040908@yahoo.com>
References: <f4ac21fb0702071406m7cdd4ec3ie962e23cb2d17617@mail.gmail.com>
	 <45CB5A84.6040908@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f4ac21fb0702081525k333d0cd5n86b69e247ae47095@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Ryan and Paul. I've changed the log location (fantastic) and have
successfully used OTR. Thanks for your assistance!

Paul mentioned that it would be a good idea to verify fingerprints by phone
or gpg mail. I'll give that a try now...

cheers
monica



On 09/02/07, Robert Ryan <rbrt_ryn at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Monica Barratt wrote:
> > One thing I haven't been able to work out in Gaim, is how to change the
> > automatic location of conversation logs/history.
>
> You can change this by setting the GAIMHOME environment variable. I
> think the file you want to add this to is named gaimsettings.ini. See
> the Windows gaim FAQ : http://gaim.sourceforge.net/win32/index.php#faq
>
> You might also check out the portable version of gaim:
> http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/gaim_portable
>
> In the portable version the logs are written to a sub-folder of the
> application folder.
> --
> Robert Ryan
> Thunderbird + Enigmail + GnuPG
> Gaim + OTR
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
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From laffodil22 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  9 13:27:01 2007
From: laffodil22 at hotmail.com (Laff O'Dil)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:27:01 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Console client with support for OTR?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701170153450.1049@tla.xelerance.com>
Message-ID: <BAY24-F8D361DEF6D238D1CBA2A0CC9C0@phx.gbl>

>From: Paul Wouters <paul at cypherpunks.ca>
>To: "Laff O'Dil" <laffodil22 at hotmail.com>
>CC: otr-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
>Subject: Re: [OTR-users] Console client with support for OTR?
>Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:54:52 +0100 (CET)
>
>On Sun, 14 Jan 2007, Laff O'Dil wrote:
>
> > Is anybody aware of a console client that has support for OTR?  Ideally, 
>I
> > would like to "screen" a client on a Linux/BSD shell and stay connected 
>24/7.
>
>In theory beetlebree with otrproxy should work. In practice, I did not get 
>it
>to work.

Unfortunately, the OTR proxy only has a GUI (unless I am mistaken), so that 
really defeats the benefits and purpose of using a CLI IM client.

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From sgrayban at gmail.com  Sat Feb 10 04:01:21 2007
From: sgrayban at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 01:01:21 -0800
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
Message-ID: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com>

I got OTR to compile and work with gaim 2b6 using the following defines
in gtk-dialog.c

/* gaim headers */
#include "version.h"
#if GAIM_MAJOR_VERSION < 2
#include "stock.h"
#else
#include "/usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkstock.h"
#endif
#include "/usr/include/gaim/gaimstock.h"
#include "plugin.h"
#include "notify.h"
#include "gtkconv.h"
#include "gtkutils.h"
#include "gtkimhtml.h"
#include "util.h"

-- 
Scott
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From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Sat Feb 10 11:01:35 2007
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:01:35 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 01:01:21AM -0800, Scott wrote:
> I got OTR to compile and work with gaim 2b6 using the following defines
> in gtk-dialog.c
> 
> /* gaim headers */
> #include "version.h"
> #if GAIM_MAJOR_VERSION < 2
> #include "stock.h"
> #else
> #include "/usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkstock.h"
> #endif
> #include "/usr/include/gaim/gaimstock.h"
> #include "plugin.h"
> #include "notify.h"
> #include "gtkconv.h"
> #include "gtkutils.h"
> #include "gtkimhtml.h"
> #include "util.h"

The gaimstock.h patch is already in CVS.  Do you happen to have a fix
for the OTR button having disappeared in beta 6 (as compared to beta 5)?

Thanks,

    - Ian


From sgrayban at gmail.com  Sat Feb 10 11:20:18 2007
From: sgrayban at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:20:18 -0800
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com> <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <45CDF0C2.1040402@gmail.com>

Which button?

I see the button in the chat window on the left and in the plugins
preferences here.

Scott
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Ian Goldberg wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 01:01:21AM -0800, Scott wrote:
>   
>> I got OTR to compile and work with gaim 2b6 using the following defines
>> in gtk-dialog.c
>>
>> /* gaim headers */
>> #include "version.h"
>> #if GAIM_MAJOR_VERSION < 2
>> #include "stock.h"
>> #else
>> #include "/usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkstock.h"
>> #endif
>> #include "/usr/include/gaim/gaimstock.h"
>> #include "plugin.h"
>> #include "notify.h"
>> #include "gtkconv.h"
>> #include "gtkutils.h"
>> #include "gtkimhtml.h"
>> #include "util.h"
>>     
>
> The gaimstock.h patch is already in CVS.  Do you happen to have a fix
> for the OTR button having disappeared in beta 6 (as compared to beta 5)?
>
> Thanks,
>
>     - Ian
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>
>   


From cdowns at drippingdead.com  Sat Feb 10 15:49:17 2007
From: cdowns at drippingdead.com (Christopher Downs)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:49:17 -0600
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com> <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <45CE2FCD.3080509@drippingdead.com>

Ian,
    I created a patch from your suggestion and included it on the 
ArchLinux aur system. I've pasted my email below.

[wopr@~/public_html/ArchLinux/gaim-otr] : cat gtk-dialog.c.patch
--- gtk-dialog.c        2007-02-10 13:53:21.000000000 -0600
+++ gtk-dialog.diff     2007-02-10 13:55:22.000000000 -0600
@@ -30,7 +30,7 @@
 #if GAIM_MAJOR_VERSION < 2
 #include "stock.h"
 #else
-#include "gtkstock.h"
+#include "/usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkstock.h"
 #endif
 #include "plugin.h"
 #include "notify.h"
@@ -38,6 +38,8 @@
 #include "gtkutils.h"
 #include "gtkimhtml.h"
 #include "util.h"
+/* compile with ./configure --includedir=/usr/include */
+#include "gaimstock.h"
 
 /* libotr headers */
 #include <libotr/dh.h>
[wopr@~/public_html/ArchLinux/gaim-otr] :
   
    thanks.
   
    Sincerely,
       Christopher M Downs

/*|Sat Feb 10 14:45:01 CST 2007
gaim-otr patch for Gaim02.0.0 Beta 6

ArchPackage: gaim 2.0.0b6-1

PKGBUILD
http://wopr.drippingdead.com/~cdowns/ArchLinux/gaim-otr/PKGBUILD

gaim2b2-otr.diff
http://wopr.drippingdead.com/~cdowns/ArchLinux/gaim-otr/gaim2b2-otr.diff

gtk-dialog.c.patch
http://wopr.drippingdead.com/~cdowns/ArchLinux/gaim-otr/gtk-dialog.c.patch

Or grab all in a tar file
http://wopr.drippingdead.com/~cdowns/ArchLinux/gaim-otr/gaim-otr-2.0.0b6.tar 


gaim-otr is happy and working again now.Obviously make sure you install 
libotr first !

~!>D|*/

Ian Goldberg wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 01:01:21AM -0800, Scott wrote:
>   
>> I got OTR to compile and work with gaim 2b6 using the following defines
>> in gtk-dialog.c
>>
>> /* gaim headers */
>> #include "version.h"
>> #if GAIM_MAJOR_VERSION < 2
>> #include "stock.h"
>> #else
>> #include "/usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkstock.h"
>> #endif
>> #include "/usr/include/gaim/gaimstock.h"
>> #include "plugin.h"
>> #include "notify.h"
>> #include "gtkconv.h"
>> #include "gtkutils.h"
>> #include "gtkimhtml.h"
>> #include "util.h"
>>     
>
> The gaimstock.h patch is already in CVS.  Do you happen to have a fix
> for the OTR button having disappeared in beta 6 (as compared to beta 5)?
>
> Thanks,
>
>     - Ian
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>   



From tmcmahon2 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 10 16:05:00 2007
From: tmcmahon2 at yahoo.com (Torrey McMahon)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:05:00 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <45CDF0C2.1040402@gmail.com>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com> <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45CDF0C2.1040402@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45CE337C.3000008@yahoo.com>

Scott wrote:
> Which button?
>
> I see the button in the chat window on the left and in the plugins
> preferences here.

On windows the otr plugin with 2b6 doesn't show the button. It could be 
that a simple recompile is needed for any/all platforms....or a 
patch......or both.


From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Sat Feb 10 18:42:28 2007
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:42:28 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <45CE337C.3000008@yahoo.com>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com> <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45CDF0C2.1040402@gmail.com> <45CE337C.3000008@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070210234228.GF21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 04:05:00PM -0500, Torrey McMahon wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> >Which button?
> >
> >I see the button in the chat window on the left and in the plugins
> >preferences here.
> 
> On windows the otr plugin with 2b6 doesn't show the button. It could be 
> that a simple recompile is needed for any/all platforms....or a 
> patch......or both.

A recompile might be enough?  Well, I recompiled the Windows version
against gaim2b6.  Get the replacement gaim-otr.dll here:

http://otr.cypherpunks.ca/binaries/windows/gaim-2b6-otr.zip

In that zip file, you'll find just gaim-otr.dll.  Copy it over the
version that you installed with the 2b5 installer:

http://otr.cypherpunks.ca/binaries/windows/gaim2b5-otr-3.0.1.exe

(If you haven't yet installed the gaim-otr plugin for gaim 2b5 from the
above installer, do that first.)

Please report back as to whether the OTR button has reappeared with
gaim2b6 using this new version of the dll.

Thanks!

   - Ian


From tmcmahon2 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 10 19:01:06 2007
From: tmcmahon2 at yahoo.com (Torrey McMahon)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:01:06 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <20070210234228.GF21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com> <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45CDF0C2.1040402@gmail.com> <45CE337C.3000008@yahoo.com> <20070210234228.GF21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <45CE5CC2.70303@yahoo.com>

Ian Goldberg wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 04:05:00PM -0500, Torrey McMahon wrote:
>   
>> Scott wrote:
>>     
>>> Which button?
>>>
>>> I see the button in the chat window on the left and in the plugins
>>> preferences here.
>>>       
>> On windows the otr plugin with 2b6 doesn't show the button. It could be 
>> that a simple recompile is needed for any/all platforms....or a 
>> patch......or both.
>>     
>
> A recompile might be enough?  Well, I recompiled the Windows version
> against gaim2b6.  Get the replacement gaim-otr.dll here:
>
> http://otr.cypherpunks.ca/binaries/windows/gaim-2b6-otr.zip
>
> In that zip file, you'll find just gaim-otr.dll.  Copy it over the
> version that you installed with the 2b5 installer:
>
> http://otr.cypherpunks.ca/binaries/windows/gaim2b5-otr-3.0.1.exe
>
> (If you haven't yet installed the gaim-otr plugin for gaim 2b5 from the
> above installer, do that first.)
>
> Please report back as to whether the OTR button has reappeared with
> gaim2b6 using this new version of the dll.

Works great. Thanks for the recompile.



From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Sat Feb 10 21:56:27 2007
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:56:27 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <45CE5CC2.70303@yahoo.com>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com> <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45CDF0C2.1040402@gmail.com> <45CE337C.3000008@yahoo.com> <20070210234228.GF21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45CE5CC2.70303@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070211025627.GG21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 07:01:06PM -0500, Torrey McMahon wrote:
> >Please report back as to whether the OTR button has reappeared with
> >gaim2b6 using this new version of the dll.
> 
> Works great. Thanks for the recompile.

Glad to hear it.  Paul, can you make the installer?

Thanks,

   - Ian


From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Sun Feb 11 18:09:38 2007
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:09:38 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <20070210234228.GF21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com> <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45CDF0C2.1040402@gmail.com> <45CE337C.3000008@yahoo.com> <20070210234228.GF21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <20070211230938.GC22768@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

I took my first stab at making a Windows installer.  ;-)

Can someone please try this out and tell me if it works?  This is for
the gaim-otr plugin, for gaim 2 beta 6.

http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/binaries/windows/gaim2b6-otr-3.0.1.6.exe

It doesn't have the internationalization stuff in there yet.

Thanks!

   - Ian


From mudler at gmail.com  Sun Feb 11 18:23:58 2007
From: mudler at gmail.com (Jingo)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:23:58 +1300
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <20070211230938.GC22768@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com>
	 <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <45CDF0C2.1040402@gmail.com> <45CE337C.3000008@yahoo.com>
	 <20070210234228.GF21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <20070211230938.GC22768@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <6710e8e0702111523t1cf3dea3y36abeda926977b66@mail.gmail.com>

Seemed to install without a glitch and working properly as far as I can tell.

Thanks a lot! :)

On 12/02/07, Ian Goldberg <ian at cypherpunks.ca> wrote:
> I took my first stab at making a Windows installer.  ;-)
>
> Can someone please try this out and tell me if it works?  This is for
> the gaim-otr plugin, for gaim 2 beta 6.
>
> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/binaries/windows/gaim2b6-otr-3.0.1.6.exe
>
> It doesn't have the internationalization stuff in there yet.
>
> Thanks!
>
>    - Ian
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>


From chazefroy at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 06:18:50 2007
From: chazefroy at gmail.com (ChazeFroy)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:18:50 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <6710e8e0702111523t1cf3dea3y36abeda926977b66@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com>
	 <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <45CDF0C2.1040402@gmail.com> <45CE337C.3000008@yahoo.com>
	 <20070210234228.GF21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <20070211230938.GC22768@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <6710e8e0702111523t1cf3dea3y36abeda926977b66@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ba68aae0702120318x5f790d49xee9f90a28cbccdd1@mail.gmail.com>

If I simply upgraded Gaim and OTR, the button showed up, but it would
not initiate an OTR session with another user.  Gaim would pop up a
Window saying that my AIM account was invalid.

It works if I remove some old files from my ~/.gaim in Windows.  I
removed all of the XML files and it worked (I didn't do them
one-by-one to determine which was at fault, sorry).

Even though I already had a private key generated, OTR generated a new
key for me for AIM and is now using the new key.  This is the first
time I have seen this.  I had been using the same key for the past 12+
months.

On 2/11/07, Jingo <mudler at gmail.com> wrote:
> Seemed to install without a glitch and working properly as far as I can tell.
>
> Thanks a lot! :)


From chazefroy at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 06:23:43 2007
From: chazefroy at gmail.com (ChazeFroy)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:23:43 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <8ba68aae0702120318x5f790d49xee9f90a28cbccdd1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com>
	 <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <45CDF0C2.1040402@gmail.com> <45CE337C.3000008@yahoo.com>
	 <20070210234228.GF21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <20070211230938.GC22768@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <6710e8e0702111523t1cf3dea3y36abeda926977b66@mail.gmail.com>
	 <8ba68aae0702120318x5f790d49xee9f90a28cbccdd1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ba68aae0702120323s461cd85eq30754b59c0c2ec3b@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/12/07, ChazeFroy <chazefroy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Even though I already had a private key generated, OTR generated a new
> key for me for AIM and is now using the new key.  This is the first
> time I have seen this.  I had been using the same key for the past 12+
> months.

Apparently Gaim changed the protocol string for AIM from "prpl-oscar"
to "prpl-aim", so you can just modify your "otr.private_key"
appropriately.

You will also want to modify your "known_keys" for all of your friends
using OTR.  Otherwise you will be spammed with unknown fingerprints
and will have to re-verify all of their keys.


From chazefroy at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 06:29:02 2007
From: chazefroy at gmail.com (ChazeFroy)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:29:02 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <8ba68aae0702120323s461cd85eq30754b59c0c2ec3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com>
	 <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <45CDF0C2.1040402@gmail.com> <45CE337C.3000008@yahoo.com>
	 <20070210234228.GF21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <20070211230938.GC22768@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <6710e8e0702111523t1cf3dea3y36abeda926977b66@mail.gmail.com>
	 <8ba68aae0702120318x5f790d49xee9f90a28cbccdd1@mail.gmail.com>
	 <8ba68aae0702120323s461cd85eq30754b59c0c2ec3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ba68aae0702120329k28424567g5c8ddc126e978c4b@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/12/07, ChazeFroy <chazefroy at gmail.com> wrote:
> You will also want to modify your "known_keys" for all of your friends
> using OTR.  Otherwise you will be spammed with unknown fingerprints
> and will have to re-verify all of their keys.

And "otr.fingerprints" :-)


From mudler at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 06:48:25 2007
From: mudler at gmail.com (Jingo)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:48:25 +1300
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <8ba68aae0702120329k28424567g5c8ddc126e978c4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com>
	 <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <45CDF0C2.1040402@gmail.com> <45CE337C.3000008@yahoo.com>
	 <20070210234228.GF21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <20070211230938.GC22768@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <6710e8e0702111523t1cf3dea3y36abeda926977b66@mail.gmail.com>
	 <8ba68aae0702120318x5f790d49xee9f90a28cbccdd1@mail.gmail.com>
	 <8ba68aae0702120323s461cd85eq30754b59c0c2ec3b@mail.gmail.com>
	 <8ba68aae0702120329k28424567g5c8ddc126e978c4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6710e8e0702120348u3f19fa02w1ad39e6d0dcc0315@mail.gmail.com>

Weird.  My build (from gaim website) on windows was renamed to
prpl-icq and not prpl-aim.  (Gaim 2b6).

On 13/02/07, ChazeFroy <chazefroy at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/12/07, ChazeFroy <chazefroy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > You will also want to modify your "known_keys" for all of your friends
> > using OTR.  Otherwise you will be spammed with unknown fingerprints
> > and will have to re-verify all of their keys.
>
> And "otr.fingerprints" :-)
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>


From Kami.List at ClickandPledge.com  Mon Feb 12 07:16:27 2007
From: Kami.List at ClickandPledge.com (Kami Razvan)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:16:27 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <6710e8e0702120348u3f19fa02w1ad39e6d0dcc0315@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com> <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45CDF0C2.1040402@gmail.com> <45CE337C.3000008@yahoo.com> <20070210234228.GF21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <20070211230938.GC22768@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <6710e8e0702111523t1cf3dea3y36abeda926977b66@mail.gmail.com> <8ba68aae0702120318x5f790d49xee9f90a28cbccdd1@mail.gmail.com> <8ba68aae0702120323s461cd85eq30754b59c0c2ec3b@mail.gmail.com> <8ba68aae0702120329k28424567g5c8ddc126e978c4b@mail.gmail.com> <6710e8e0702120348u3f19fa02w1ad39e6d0dcc0315@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004601c74e9f$9fd15050$0202fea9@commerce.foroosh.com>

I wonder if this is related to my problem.  I installed Gaim 2b6 on Windows
XP and keep getting Access violations and GAIM does not start.

I even uninstalled everything and tried again & it did not work.
Uninstalled it all and re-installed beta 5 and it works fine.

Kami




-----Original Message-----
From: otr-users-admin at lists.cypherpunks.ca
[mailto:otr-users-admin at lists.cypherpunks.ca] On Behalf Of Jingo
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 6:48 AM
To: ChazeFroy
Cc: otr-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
Subject: Re: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**


Weird.  My build (from gaim website) on windows was renamed to prpl-icq and
not prpl-aim.  (Gaim 2b6).



From jason at jasonweed.com  Mon Feb 12 17:07:58 2007
From: jason at jasonweed.com (jason)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:07:58 -0900
Subject: [OTR-users] log files
Message-ID: <45D0E53E.8020404@jasonweed.com>

I'm new to OTR and couldn't find if this was covered in the archives (no 
search function) so please be nice.  :)

I have the encryption working from box to box but my log files are still 
in plain text.

I was wondering if I missed how to encrypt the log files in gaim or if 
this simply isn't a particular goal of OTR.

Thanks for the help!
Jason


From mudler at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 17:21:52 2007
From: mudler at gmail.com (Jingo)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:21:52 +1300
Subject: [OTR-users] log files
In-Reply-To: <45D0E53E.8020404@jasonweed.com>
References: <45D0E53E.8020404@jasonweed.com>
Message-ID: <6710e8e0702121421p1332624dq34a6de9f8acfc99d@mail.gmail.com>

I think the point is for there to be plausible deniability(someone
correct me if I'm wrong).  Logs kinda defeat that objective.

If you want to keep logs encrypted, if in windows, you could use
NTFS's encryption, or create a container and make gaim store the
settings in there.

In linux, there're solutions like dmcrypt and luks you can explore to
achieve the same.

On 13/02/07, jason <jason at jasonweed.com> wrote:
> I'm new to OTR and couldn't find if this was covered in the archives (no
> search function) so please be nice.  :)
>
> I have the encryption working from box to box but my log files are still
> in plain text.
>
> I was wondering if I missed how to encrypt the log files in gaim or if
> this simply isn't a particular goal of OTR.
>
> Thanks for the help!
> Jason
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
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From rbrt_ryn at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 12 17:53:44 2007
From: rbrt_ryn at yahoo.com (Robert Ryan)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:53:44 -0700
Subject: [OTR-users] log files
In-Reply-To: <45D0E53E.8020404@jasonweed.com>
References: <45D0E53E.8020404@jasonweed.com>
Message-ID: <45D0EFF8.1000608@yahoo.com>

jason wrote:
> I was wondering if I missed how to encrypt the log files in gaim or if
> this simply isn't a particular goal of OTR.

OTR just encrypts or decrypts the transmission. If you want to keep your
logs safe I would suggest putting them in a truecrypt container.

http://www.truecrypt.org/
-- 
Robert Ryan
Thunderbird + Enigmail + GnuPG
Gaim + OTR



From jason at jasonweed.com  Mon Feb 12 18:06:29 2007
From: jason at jasonweed.com (jason)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:06:29 -0900
Subject: [OTR-users] log files
In-Reply-To: <45D0EFF8.1000608@yahoo.com>
References: <45D0E53E.8020404@jasonweed.com> <45D0EFF8.1000608@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45D0F2F5.2030202@jasonweed.com>

Yeah, I figured this was the case, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't 
overlooking anything.

Thanks!
Jason

Robert Ryan wrote:
> jason wrote:
>> I was wondering if I missed how to encrypt the log files in gaim or if
>> this simply isn't a particular goal of OTR.
> 
> OTR just encrypts or decrypts the transmission. If you want to keep your
> logs safe I would suggest putting them in a truecrypt container.
> 
> http://www.truecrypt.org/


From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Wed Feb 14 05:02:13 2007
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:02:13 +0000
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim 2b6 and OTR Breakage **MY FIX**
In-Reply-To: <20070211230938.GC22768@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <45CD89E1.9090601@gmail.com> <20070210160135.GE21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45CDF0C2.1040402@gmail.com> <45CE337C.3000008@yahoo.com> <20070210234228.GF21946@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <20070211230938.GC22768@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <45D2DE25.8000900@fenrir.org.uk>

Ian Goldberg wrote:
> I took my first stab at making a Windows installer.  ;-)
> 
> Can someone please try this out and tell me if it works?  This is for
> the gaim-otr plugin, for gaim 2 beta 6.
> 
> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/binaries/windows/gaim2b6-otr-3.0.1.6.exe
> 
> It doesn't have the internationalization stuff in there yet.

This is working for me on two different WinXP boxen, so I can give it my
approval.

If you put in the i18n stuff, please ask for a re-test and I'll be glad
to oblige.

-- 

Brian Morrison

bdm at fenrir.org.uk


From reza at zeerak.ir  Sun Feb 18 08:28:19 2007
From: reza at zeerak.ir (Reza Mohammadi)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:58:19 +0330
Subject: [OTR-users] Bug report
In-Reply-To: <a2f3f8e90702120715j653c4830o3970873e2806667c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a2f3f8e90702120715j653c4830o3970873e2806667c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a2f3f8e90702180528h2ad3caadv1d8949641ee9d185@mail.gmail.com>

Where can I report a bug? :D

If here, then:
When I send a message larger than some size (I didn't measure exact size but
can guess near 400 characters), OTR gets stuck in a loop;
For example:

(04:26:57 PM) *???:* xh = x.hi<<10 | x.lo>>54; yh = y.hi<<10 | y.lo>>54;
hl = GF2Product54x54(&hh, xh, yh & 0x003FFFFFFFFFFFFF);
ml = GF2Product54x54(&mh, xh ^ x.lo, (yh ^ y.lo) & 0x003FFFFFFFFFFFFF);
ml ^= hl; mh ^= hh;
ll = GF2Product54x54(&lh, x.lo, y.lo & 0x003FFFFFFFFFFFFF);
ml ^= ll; mh ^= lh;

t0 = ll; t1 = lh | hl<<44; t2 = hl>>20 | hh<<44; t3 = hh>>20;
t0 ^= ml<<54; t1 ^= ml>>10 | mh<<54; t2 ^= mh>>10;

/* Handle 109th bit. */
{ u64 xb, yb;

 xb = x.hi>>44; yb = y.hi>>44;
if (xb) { t1 ^= y.lo<<44; t2 ^= y.lo>>20; t2 ^= y.hi<<44; t3 ^= y.hi>>20; }
if (yb) { t1 ^= x.lo<<44; t2 ^= x.lo>>20; t2 ^= x.hi<<44; t3 ^= x.hi>>20; }
if (xb & yb) t3 ^= 1UL<<24;
} /* end block */

(04:26:58 PM)* OTR Error: You transmitted a malformed data message*
(04:26:59 PM)* Successfully refreshed the private conversation with a******.
*
(04:26:59 PM)* The last message to **a******.** was resent.*
(04:27:00 PM)* OTR Error: You transmitted a malformed data message*
(04:27:01 PM)* Successfully refreshed the private conversation with * *
a******.*
(04:27:01 PM)* The last message to **a******.** was resent.*
(04:27:01 PM) * OTR Error: You transmitted a malformed data message*


I think OTR does'nt recognize gaim error about large messages.

Gaim version: 2.0.0 beta 4
OTR version: 3.0.0

[reza at localhost ~]$ rpm -qa *otr*
gaim-otr-3.0.1-0.3.20060921cvs
libotr-3.0.0-2

Regards,
-- 
Reza Mohammadi
http://cs.sharif.edu/~remohammadi <http://cs.sharif.edu/%7Eremohammadi>
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From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Sun Feb 18 10:15:25 2007
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:15:25 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Bug report
In-Reply-To: <a2f3f8e90702180528h2ad3caadv1d8949641ee9d185@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a2f3f8e90702120715j653c4830o3970873e2806667c@mail.gmail.com> <a2f3f8e90702180528h2ad3caadv1d8949641ee9d185@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070218151525.GO19501@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 04:58:19PM +0330, Reza Mohammadi wrote:
> Where can I report a bug? :D
> 
> If here, then:
> When I send a message larger than some size (I didn't measure exact size but
> can guess near 400 characters), OTR gets stuck in a loop;
> For example:

What network were you on?  If it was Yahoo!, or something else that
truncates messages or around that size, that's a known issue we're
almost done fixing now.

Thanks for the bug report, though!

   - Ian


From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Mon Feb 19 15:45:51 2007
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:45:51 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [OTR-users] Jabber, OTR and offline messages
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702192142160.7623@tla.xelerance.com>

I think I have run into a bug.

Someone tried to talk to be, knows I can do OTR, and tried to talk to me.
But this was jabber and I logged off. When I logged on, I was instantly
greeted with the stored OTR init message, but the reply didn't work. I'm
not sure if this was because the user was now offline, or because his
initial request timed out. This event crossed us a few times before we
managed to talk.

The question is what to do in this case? If OTR knows about the jabber
state of the target (online or offline), then it probably should refuse
a new OTR connection. But it should definitely not send a plaintext
message either, especially because it can be stored on the jabber server
for a while before the other party logs on again to retrieve it.

On the other hand, if OTR does not know about the jabber online/offline
status of the remote user, then I do not know what the proper way is for
dealing with this issue.

Paul


From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Mon Feb 19 17:26:38 2007
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:26:38 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Jabber, OTR and offline messages
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702192142160.7623@tla.xelerance.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702192142160.7623@tla.xelerance.com>
Message-ID: <20070219222638.GV19501@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 09:45:51PM +0100, Paul Wouters wrote:
> 
> I think I have run into a bug.
> 
> Someone tried to talk to be, knows I can do OTR, and tried to talk to me.
> But this was jabber and I logged off. When I logged on, I was instantly
> greeted with the stored OTR init message, but the reply didn't work. I'm
> not sure if this was because the user was now offline, or because his
> initial request timed out. This event crossed us a few times before we
> managed to talk.

OTR requests don't time out.  If your buddy was online (and had not
quite gaim since sending the original message), the OTR handshake would
have succeeded.

> The question is what to do in this case? If OTR knows about the jabber
> state of the target (online or offline), then it probably should refuse
> a new OTR connection. But it should definitely not send a plaintext
> message either, especially because it can be stored on the jabber server
> for a while before the other party logs on again to retrieve it.
> 
> On the other hand, if OTR does not know about the jabber online/offline
> status of the remote user, then I do not know what the proper way is for
> dealing with this issue.

We decided to try OTR even if the other guy doesn't appear to be online.
Remember that, even if he's currently offline, he still may have an
active OTR session with you.  In that event, the Jabber server would
store the OTR-encrypted message, and he'll be able to read it the next
time he's online.  [This happens if you disconnect from the net, or from
Jabber, but leave gaim running, for example.]

   - Ian


From Gilles at Gravier.org  Tue Feb 20 08:19:19 2007
From: Gilles at Gravier.org (Gilles Gravier)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:19:19 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] Sources for GAIM 2.0 beta 6?
Message-ID: <45DAF557.4050704@Gravier.org>

Hi!

So... I now see an installer for GAIM 2.0 beta 6 for Windows... but how 
about sources? I need to rebuild OTR on Solaris... so source update 
would be cool... Anybody made that into a tar ball?

Thanks,
Gilles.
-- 
/*Gilles Gravier*/ *=* *Gilles at Gravier.org* <mailto:Gilles at Gravier.org> 
*=* *http://www.gravier.org/*
ICQ : *77488526* 
<http://www.icq.com/whitepages/about_me.php?Uin=77488526> * || *MSN 
Messenger : Gilles at Gravier.org <http://members.msn.com/Gilles at Gravier.org>*
*Skype : ggravier <callto://ggravier>* || *Y! : ggravier 
<http://profiles.yahoo.com/ggravier> || AOL : gillesgravier 
<aim:goim?screenname=gillesgravier>
PGP Key ID : *0x8DE6D026* 
<http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x8DE6D026&op=index>
"Chastity is its own punishment." (/Solomon Short/) [/David Gerrold/]
"De toutes les aberrations sexuelles, la chastet? est la plus 
aberrante." [Anatole France]



From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Tue Feb 20 10:23:06 2007
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:23:06 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Sources for GAIM 2.0 beta 6?
In-Reply-To: <45DAF557.4050704@Gravier.org>
References: <45DAF557.4050704@Gravier.org>
Message-ID: <20070220152306.GC22021@thunk.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 02:19:19PM +0100, Gilles Gravier wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> So... I now see an installer for GAIM 2.0 beta 6 for Windows... but how 
> about sources? I need to rebuild OTR on Solaris... so source update 
> would be cool... Anybody made that into a tar ball?

You should be able to do anonymous CVS from sourceforge.  I haven't
built a tarball, myself.

   - Ian


From Gilles at Gravier.org  Tue Feb 20 10:48:17 2007
From: Gilles at Gravier.org (Gilles Gravier)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:48:17 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] Sources for GAIM 2.0 beta 6?
In-Reply-To: <20070220152306.GC22021@thunk.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <45DAF557.4050704@Gravier.org> <20070220152306.GC22021@thunk.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <45DB1841.50400@Gravier.org>

Hum... I don't have a CSV pickup tool that works through our corporate 
proxies. Would be great to have a "current work in progress build" tar 
ball download available on the site.

Gilles.

Ian Goldberg wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 02:19:19PM +0100, Gilles Gravier wrote:
>   
>> Hi!
>>
>> So... I now see an installer for GAIM 2.0 beta 6 for Windows... but how 
>> about sources? I need to rebuild OTR on Solaris... so source update 
>> would be cool... Anybody made that into a tar ball?
>>     
>
> You should be able to do anonymous CVS from sourceforge.  I haven't
> built a tarball, myself.
>
>    - Ian
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>   

-- 
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*=* *http://www.gravier.org/*
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<http://www.icq.com/whitepages/about_me.php?Uin=77488526> * || *MSN 
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<aim:goim?screenname=gillesgravier>
PGP Key ID : *0x8DE6D026* 
<http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x8DE6D026&op=index>
"Chastity is its own punishment." (/Solomon Short/) [/David Gerrold/]
"De toutes les aberrations sexuelles, la chastet? est la plus 
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From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Tue Feb 20 11:44:07 2007
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:44:07 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [OTR-users] Jabber, OTR and offline messages
In-Reply-To: <20070219222638.GV19501@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702192142160.7623@tla.xelerance.com>
 <20070219222638.GV19501@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702201741430.11256@tla.xelerance.com>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Ian Goldberg wrote:

> OTR requests don't time out.  If your buddy was online (and had not
> quite gaim since sending the original message), the OTR handshake would
> have succeeded.

> active OTR session with you.  In that event, the Jabber server would
> store the OTR-encrypted message, and he'll be able to read it the next
> time he's online.  [This happens if you disconnect from the net, or from
> Jabber, but leave gaim running, for example.]

Okay. So what happens when the other person restarted gaim? The delayed
message to that person would be unreadable and that person would
reinitiate back to us and things should be fine. Or if I'm not online
anymore, we might run into these messages ad infinitum if we keep
missing each other.

I am trying to figure out this long standing "otr storm" bug. It seems
related to long idle sessions, but the exact circumstances still
elude me. Guess I should keep the tcpdump running until I'm hit again.

Paul


From paul at xelerance.com  Tue Feb 20 11:46:37 2007
From: paul at xelerance.com (Paul Wouters)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:46:37 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [OTR-users] Sources for GAIM 2.0 beta 6?
In-Reply-To: <20070220152306.GC22021@thunk.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <45DAF557.4050704@Gravier.org> <20070220152306.GC22021@thunk.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702201744270.11256@tla.xelerance.com>

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Ian Goldberg wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 02:19:19PM +0100, Gilles Gravier wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > So... I now see an installer for GAIM 2.0 beta 6 for Windows... but how
> > about sources? I need to rebuild OTR on Solaris... so source update
> > would be cool... Anybody made that into a tar ball?
>
> You should be able to do anonymous CVS from sourceforge.  I haven't
> built a tarball, myself.

I'd say drop the requirement for "gaim to become 2.0.0 release". By the
severe amount of breakage they're still doing, it's months away. I'd
really prefer to have both a tar ball and a decent versioning scheme
over the CVS-snapshot dates. People, out of neccesity, have started
to use gaim betas as "production". It would be nice to have a "full
release" of gaim-otr to go with those.

Paul


From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Tue Feb 20 11:53:00 2007
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:53:00 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [OTR-users] Sources for GAIM 2.0 beta 6?
In-Reply-To: <45DB1841.50400@Gravier.org>
References: <45DAF557.4050704@Gravier.org> <20070220152306.GC22021@thunk.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
 <45DB1841.50400@Gravier.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702201749570.11256@tla.xelerance.com>

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Gilles Gravier wrote:

> Hum... I don't have a CSV pickup tool that works through our corporate
> proxies. Would be great to have a "current work in progress build" tar ball
> download available on the site.

I have put stuff up at ftp://ftp.xelerance.com/tmp/gaim-otr/

Paul


From tmcmahon2 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 20 12:01:43 2007
From: tmcmahon2 at yahoo.com (Torrey McMahon)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:01:43 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Sources for GAIM 2.0 beta 6?
In-Reply-To: <45DB1841.50400@Gravier.org>
References: <45DAF557.4050704@Gravier.org> <20070220152306.GC22021@thunk.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45DB1841.50400@Gravier.org>
Message-ID: <45DB2977.6030501@yahoo.com>

Giles - I don't think you have to change anything from the latest source 
drop. Just recompile the existing bits. The windows installer was simply 
a recompile. (From what I could tell...)

Gilles Gravier wrote:
> Hum... I don't have a CSV pickup tool that works through our corporate 
> proxies. Would be great to have a "current work in progress build" tar 
> ball download available on the site.
>
> Gilles.
>
> Ian Goldberg wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 02:19:19PM +0100, Gilles Gravier wrote:
>>   
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> So... I now see an installer for GAIM 2.0 beta 6 for Windows... but how 
>>> about sources? I need to rebuild OTR on Solaris... so source update 
>>> would be cool... Anybody made that into a tar ball?
>>>     
>>
>> You should be able to do anonymous CVS from sourceforge.  I haven't
>> built a tarball, myself.
>>
>>    - Ian
>> _______________________________________________
>> OTR-users mailing list
>> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
>> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>>   
>
> -- 
> /*Gilles Gravier*/ *=* *Gilles at Gravier.org* 
> <mailto:Gilles at Gravier.org> *=* *http://www.gravier.org/*
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> Messenger : Gilles at Gravier.org 
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> <http://profiles.yahoo.com/ggravier> || AOL : gillesgravier 
> <aim:goim?screenname=gillesgravier>
> PGP Key ID : *0x8DE6D026* 
> <http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x8DE6D026&op=index>
> "Chastity is its own punishment." (/Solomon Short/) [/David Gerrold/]
> "De toutes les aberrations sexuelles, la chastet? est la plus 
> aberrante." [Anatole France]
>



From Gilles at Gravier.org  Tue Feb 20 12:25:09 2007
From: Gilles at Gravier.org (Gilles Gravier)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:25:09 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] Sources for GAIM 2.0 beta 6?
In-Reply-To: <45DB2977.6030501@yahoo.com>
References: <45DAF557.4050704@Gravier.org> <20070220152306.GC22021@thunk.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45DB1841.50400@Gravier.org> <45DB2977.6030501@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45DB2EF5.4080902@Gravier.org>

Tried this... run into problems of not having a proper autoconf / 
automake environment on Solaris.

I can build from proper .tar distribs... but can't get the CVS build to 
work.

Gilles.

Torrey McMahon wrote:
> Giles - I don't think you have to change anything from the latest 
> source drop. Just recompile the existing bits. The windows installer 
> was simply a recompile. (From what I could tell...)
>
> Gilles Gravier wrote:
>> Hum... I don't have a CSV pickup tool that works through our 
>> corporate proxies. Would be great to have a "current work in progress 
>> build" tar ball download available on the site.
>>
>> Gilles.
>>
>> Ian Goldberg wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 02:19:19PM +0100, Gilles Gravier wrote:
>>>  
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> So... I now see an installer for GAIM 2.0 beta 6 for Windows... but 
>>>> how about sources? I need to rebuild OTR on Solaris... so source 
>>>> update would be cool... Anybody made that into a tar ball?
>>>>     
>>>
>>> You should be able to do anonymous CVS from sourceforge.  I haven't
>>> built a tarball, myself.
>>>
>>>    - Ian
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OTR-users mailing list
>>> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
>>> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>>>   
>>
>> -- 
>> /*Gilles Gravier*/ *=* *Gilles at Gravier.org* 
>> <mailto:Gilles at Gravier.org> *=* *http://www.gravier.org/*
>> ICQ : *77488526* 
>> <http://www.icq.com/whitepages/about_me.php?Uin=77488526> * || *MSN 
>> Messenger : Gilles at Gravier.org 
>> <http://members.msn.com/Gilles at Gravier.org>*
>> *Skype : ggravier <callto://ggravier>* || *Y! : ggravier 
>> <http://profiles.yahoo.com/ggravier> || AOL : gillesgravier 
>> <aim:goim?screenname=gillesgravier>
>> PGP Key ID : *0x8DE6D026* 
>> <http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x8DE6D026&op=index>
>> "Chastity is its own punishment." (/Solomon Short/) [/David Gerrold/]
>> "De toutes les aberrations sexuelles, la chastet? est la plus 
>> aberrante." [Anatole France]
>>
>

-- 
/*Gilles Gravier*/ *=* *Gilles at Gravier.org* <mailto:Gilles at Gravier.org> 
*=* *http://www.gravier.org/*
ICQ : *77488526* 
<http://www.icq.com/whitepages/about_me.php?Uin=77488526> * || *MSN 
Messenger : Gilles at Gravier.org <http://members.msn.com/Gilles at Gravier.org>*
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<aim:goim?screenname=gillesgravier>
PGP Key ID : *0x8DE6D026* 
<http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x8DE6D026&op=index>
"Chastity is its own punishment." (/Solomon Short/) [/David Gerrold/]
"De toutes les aberrations sexuelles, la chastet? est la plus 
aberrante." [Anatole France]



From Gilles at Gravier.org  Tue Feb 20 12:26:27 2007
From: Gilles at Gravier.org (Gilles Gravier)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:26:27 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] Sources for GAIM 2.0 beta 6?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702201749570.11256@tla.xelerance.com>
References: <45DAF557.4050704@Gravier.org> <20070220152306.GC22021@thunk.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45DB1841.50400@Gravier.org> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702201749570.11256@tla.xelerance.com>
Message-ID: <45DB2F43.9050300@Gravier.org>

Thanks, Paul.

Unfortunately, as I mentionned in another post... I can run a 
./configure build... but not autoreconf -s -i from a CVS download. :(

Gilles.

Paul Wouters wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Gilles Gravier wrote:
>
>   
>> Hum... I don't have a CSV pickup tool that works through our corporate
>> proxies. Would be great to have a "current work in progress build" tar ball
>> download available on the site.
>>     
>
> I have put stuff up at ftp://ftp.xelerance.com/tmp/gaim-otr/
>
> Paul
>   

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From readytogo2 at freenet.de  Tue Feb 20 15:45:08 2007
From: readytogo2 at freenet.de (readytogo2)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:45:08 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] @developers, may I create a german OTR website?
In-Reply-To: <2a12af650702061142qa8ed163ud6fccc346a7eb72b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de>	 <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com>	 <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de>	 <20070203031134.GD6152@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>	 <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de> <2a12af650702061142qa8ed163ud6fccc346a7eb72b@mail.gmail.com>
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I downloaded the Source of the otr main website with my browser and
translated it with mozilla nvu. I hope this format make it possible to
add a german version. http://rafb.net/p/Pj3Wix11.html It`s also wanted
to verifiy my version by other Germans or to fix mistakes.

I did not get to be familar with gettext yet. Some other german was
willing to help with gettext. Can`t find this mail anymore. First I
wanted to figure all messages from otr which a user may see at some
point. is printf the only thing I have to look out for? I could/want to
translate everything else and to speak to those german guy so we can
give you a full translation of otr.


From readytogo2 at freenet.de  Tue Feb 20 16:19:13 2007
From: readytogo2 at freenet.de (readytogo2)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:19:13 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim OTR is only for' geeks', to complicated for regular users, suggestion.....
In-Reply-To: <45DB5DD4.9060907@freenet.de>
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[Ok Philipp gave me some feedback about the german translation. This is verion 0.2 http://rafb.net/p/S9YZv572.html. Just a minnor update but this was not the point of my post.]

I tryed to convince some of my friends to use gaim + otr + jabber (the only and best solution to chat encrypted right now because I don`t want to convince someone to use proprietary aim). Right now it`s very hard to establish private conversations. You need lots of stuff to set up. Gaim is not the most easy clients for end costumers.

If you really want many usrs to use encrypted messages we need something really easy. Setting up proxy or using other clients is not really a way to solve this.

Plesae have a look here http://www.secway.fr/us/products/. It`s working transparent. You don`t have to setup much. It`s looking nice. However I wouldn`t suggest others to use it since it`s proprietary.

However it`s a good example how this could be solved. A great idea, all reverse engineered or open protocolls (jabber, icq, aim, yahoo, msn but not skype) wouldn`t matter anymore. Users could continue to use their native client (proprietary single protocoll or free clone). If both users have some 'simp pro' clone running it`s encrypted and them can check the state due the extra software. (these programm should also suggest the user more and more to install and use jabber in case the proprietary protocolls owner try to stop encrypted messages over their network).



From Felix_Schaefers at web.de  Tue Feb 20 16:32:12 2007
From: Felix_Schaefers at web.de (Felix Schaefers)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:32:12 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim OTR is only for' geeks', to complicated for
 regular users, suggestion.....
In-Reply-To: <45DB65D1.8060704@freenet.de>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de>	 <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com>	 <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de>	 <20070203031134.GD6152@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>	 <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de> <2a12af650702061142qa8ed163ud6fccc346a7eb72b@mail.gmail.com> <45DB5DD4.9060907@freenet.de> <45DB65D1.8060704@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <45DB68DC.8090101@web.de>

A plugin or extra software is always complicated, as long as the
companies don't integrate it directly it won't be used by many people
due to laziness. "Why use encryption when chatting works without?" For
normal chats Gaim is easy, but especially teens (except me ;) ) just
need the games, the smilies, the blinking stuff from msn and co. and
thus won't use gaim. Nevertheless, I convinced several to switch when
they were tired of starting 2 messengers each time they went online.
I find OTR easy enough to install, solutions like Gaim portable make it
even more easier. Isn't it possible to offer a prepackaged Gaim+OTR from
the Gaim website directly?

Philipp

readytogo2 schrieb:
> [Ok Philipp gave me some feedback about the german translation. This is verion 0.2 http://rafb.net/p/S9YZv572.html. Just a minnor update but this was not the point of my post.]
>
> I tryed to convince some of my friends to use gaim + otr + jabber (the only and best solution to chat encrypted right now because I don`t want to convince someone to use proprietary aim). Right now it`s very hard to establish private conversations. You need lots of stuff to set up. Gaim is not the most easy clients for end costumers.
>
> If you really want many usrs to use encrypted messages we need something really easy. Setting up proxy or using other clients is not really a way to solve this.
>
> Plesae have a look here http://www.secway.fr/us/products/. It`s working transparent. You don`t have to setup much. It`s looking nice. However I wouldn`t suggest others to use it since it`s proprietary.
>
> However it`s a good example how this could be solved. A great idea, all reverse engineered or open protocolls (jabber, icq, aim, yahoo, msn but not skype) wouldn`t matter anymore. Users could continue to use their native client (proprietary single protocoll or free clone). If both users have some 'simp pro' clone running it`s encrypted and them can check the state due the extra software. (these programm should also suggest the user more and more to install and use jabber in case the proprietary protocolls owner try to stop encrypted messages over their network).
>
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>
>   



From Tommy.B at gmx.net  Tue Feb 20 16:57:14 2007
From: Tommy.B at gmx.net (Thomas B.)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:57:14 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] @developers, may I create a german OTR website?
In-Reply-To: <45DB5DD4.9060907@freenet.de>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de>	 <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com>	 <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de>	 <20070203031134.GD6152@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>	 <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de> <2a12af650702061142qa8ed163ud6fccc346a7eb72b@mail.gmail.com> <45DB5DD4.9060907@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <45DB6EBA.4060002@gmx.net>

Hi!

readytogo2 wrote:
> I did not get to be familar with gettext yet. Some other german was
> willing to help with gettext. Can`t find this mail anymore. First I
> wanted to figure all messages from otr which a user may see at some
> point. is printf the only thing I have to look out for? I could/want to
> translate everything else and to speak to those german guy so we can
> give you a full translation of otr.
>   

I think that other German was me ;-)
I've written a patch for gaim-otr that adds internationalisation and
sent it to the otr-dev mailing list some days ago. I've attached it
again to this mail. If anyone wants to test it, feel free to do so. I'll
be glad to receive comments and suggestions about the patch.

If you want to test it, here's how to do it (at least for Linux users, I
haven't tried compiling gaim-otr under Windows or other platforms yet):
Get the CVS source of gaim-otr (e.g. from Sourceforge), extract the
attached tarball into the gaim-otr directory, apply the patch and
configure gaim-otr, for example with "makedist" (you'll need intltool
installed in addition to the packages usually needed to compile gaim-otr
from CVS). You should then be able to compile gaim-otr (hopefully
without errors).
If that works so far, you can then add new translations with the
following steps: Go to the "po" subdirectory and execute
"../intltool-update --pot". That will extract all translateable messages
from the gaim-otr source and put it into a PO template file called
"gaim-otr.pot". You can then copy that file to a new PO file for your
language (e.g. "de.po") and start translating. If you want the
translation to be built with the rest of the package, put that PO file
into the "po" directory, add the language code to the ALL_LINGUAS
variable in configure.ac, do a "autoreconf" and rebuild gaim-otr.

Thomas

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From readytogo2 at freenet.de  Tue Feb 20 17:16:15 2007
From: readytogo2 at freenet.de (readytogo2)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:16:15 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim OTR is only for' geeks', to complicated for
 regular users, suggestion.....
In-Reply-To: <45DB68DC.8090101@web.de>
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Felix Schaefers schrieb:
> A plugin or extra software is always complicated, as long as the
> companies don't integrate it directly it won't be used by many people
> due to laziness. "Why use encryption when chatting works without?" For
> normal chats Gaim is easy, but especially teens (except me ;) ) just
> need the games, the smilies, the blinking stuff from msn and co. and
> thus won't use gaim.
>   
The companies will never include it because them want to spy out the
users. Look at their end user agreements. It`s quite obvious. The next
question besides "Why use encryption when chatting works without?" could
be "Why encrypt if I have nothing to hide?". But it`s possible to
explain people why it`s a better idea to keep privacy instant of
"nothing to hide".
> Nevertheless, I convinced several to switch when
> they were tired of starting 2 messengers each time they went online.
>   
Yes, but it`s very worse to give step by step instructions all time. The
portable version is also a bit harder to use then the setup.
> I find OTR easy enough to install, solutions like Gaim portable make it
> even more easier. Isn't it possible to offer a prepackaged Gaim+OTR from
> the Gaim website directly?
Well. This would be a good solution for now. This doesn`t mean I still
think a rebuild of simp pro would be the best we could offer.

An installer  for Gaim Portable with OTR Portable.

Ok, installer and portable are two different worlds why put it
together.... The adventage of portable software is that it won`t save
any data to another directory then it`s main directrory and all
settings, passwords and otr files are stored in the main directory and
not in docouments and settings folder.

I don`t like the non portable version because it will save data in
documents and settings folder. If you want to save your gaim settings
and key files later you have to use the portable version.

But the two installer vesions (gaim setup and otr setup) are more easy
to install. So, Portable Game and Portable OTR packaged as a extract
only and installer version aswell would be the most easy solution.



From alex323 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 17:28:32 2007
From: alex323 at gmail.com (Alex)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:28:32 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim OTR is only for' geeks', to complicated for
 regular users, suggestion.....
In-Reply-To: <45DB65D1.8060704@freenet.de>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de>
	<2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20070220172832.22f3d24f@darwin>

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:19:13 +0100
readytogo2 <readytogo2 at freenet.de> wrote:

> I tryed to convince some of my friends to use gaim + otr + jabber
> (the only and best solution to chat encrypted right now because I
> don`t want to convince someone to use proprietary aim). Right now
> it`s very hard to establish private conversations. You need lots of
> stuff to set up. Gaim is not the most easy clients for end costumers.

It should be no harder than loading a plugin. It's really simple. :|

> If you really want many usrs to use encrypted messages we need
> something really easy. Setting up proxy or using other clients is not
> really a way to solve this.

Setting up a proxy is not the way to solve it? Secway's product uses a
proxy itself! It's no different than OTR (except OTR is real security
unlike just plain encryption that Secway offers). See:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3622/aimproxydk9.png

-- 
Alex


From readytogo2 at freenet.de  Tue Feb 20 18:04:12 2007
From: readytogo2 at freenet.de (readytogo2)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:04:12 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim OTR is only for' geeks', to complicated for
 regular users, suggestion.....
In-Reply-To: <20070220172832.22f3d24f@darwin>
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Message-ID: <45DB7E6C.8020309@freenet.de>

Alex schrieb:
> It should be no harder than loading a plugin. It's really simple. :|
It`s simple if you already convinced of gaim to install otr. But it`s
not so user friendly to change from icq to gaim. Gaim is confusing
sometimes, in standard settings it doesn`t show you offline users and if
you close it it`s closed and not in tray. It won`t work like it`s would
be expected. However it`s still a good client but to complicated for others.
> Setting up a proxy is not the way to solve it? Secway's product uses a
> proxy itself! It's no different than OTR (except OTR is real security
> unlike just plain encryption that Secway offers). See:
> http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3622/aimproxydk9.png
Well. Yes and No. Simp works as a proxy but the user don`t even need to
know what a proxy is. You just install it and you don`t have to set up
your native client to use a proxy. That`s the adventage. It makes a big
difference.


From alex323 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 22:27:54 2007
From: alex323 at gmail.com (Alex)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:27:54 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim OTR is only for' geeks', to complicated for
 regular users, suggestion.....
In-Reply-To: <f4ac21fb0702201628k51f49b08k6f467b7b720d865c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:28:51 +1100
"Monica Barratt" <tronica at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Alex (and other OTR experts and users)
> 
> I am about to start recruiting people to research interviews conducted
> online and I want to offer encryption to participants so the
> conversation can be more confidential than otherwise. I have been
> able to set up Gaim/OTR and I now prefer it, however I know some
> participants won't be so willing, but may be prepared to download the
> free plugins from Secway/Simp which apply to whichever client they
> prefer (eg, MSN, ICQ) without the need to change to Gaim. I'm going
> to offer alternatives depending on their operating system and IM
> preferences.

The people can be as secure as they want to be. If they want to use a
less secure system, that is their choice. I think that the time spent
installing OTR is well worth the peace of mind.

> As mentioned by the OP, additional set-ups can just be too complex
> for some people which is a real shame... I'm not sure how it would be
> solved apart from educating people as to how important this is.

You are right, it is a shame that these people don't understand the
technology, but what is even more depressing is how nobody gives a
crap about their privacy online (or they are too naive).

> Alex, I'm interested in how that picture you linked to shows SimpPro
> to be less secure than OTR. It would be great if you could explain it
> to me (sorry, I am a bit new to all of this!).

The picture was not intended to show that OTR was more secure than
SimpLite. I quote:

 "If you really want many usrs to use encrypted messages we need
something really easy. Setting up proxy or using other clients is not
really a way to solve this."

I wanted him (readytogo2) to see that SimpLite DOES indeed use a
proxy just as OTR can. The screenshot helps him see the proxy in action.
What he doesn't realize is that all SimpLite does is set some
configuration settings (via registry or otherwise) to FORCE the program
(AIM, gaim, etc) use the proxy. I personally hate this "feature"
because you have one piece of software reconfiguring another, which can
lead to hell if there are bugs in either system. It is much better to
let the software configure itself (by having the user manually enter
the proxy information in) so you can isolate issues.

-- 
Alex


From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Tue Feb 20 23:22:10 2007
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:22:10 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [OTR-users] Sources for GAIM 2.0 beta 6?
In-Reply-To: <45DB2EF5.4080902@Gravier.org>
References: <45DAF557.4050704@Gravier.org> <20070220152306.GC22021@thunk.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
 <45DB1841.50400@Gravier.org> <45DB2977.6030501@yahoo.com> <45DB2EF5.4080902@Gravier.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702210521120.22174@tla.xelerance.com>

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Gilles Gravier wrote:

> Tried this... run into problems of not having a proper autoconf / automake
> environment on Solaris.
>
> I can build from proper .tar distribs... but can't get the CVS build to work.

If i rn autoreconf from CVS, I get:

[paul at bofh gaim-otr]$     autoreconf -s -i
aclocal:configure.ac:15: warning: macro `AM_DISABLE_STATIC' not found in library
aclocal:configure.ac:16: warning: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library
configure.ac:15: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_DISABLE_STATIC
      If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
      See the Autoconf documentation.
configure.ac:16: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_LIBTOOL
autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1

So it seems like CVS needs more fixing with its configure script. But I have
no time to look into this right now :(

Paul


From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Tue Feb 20 23:27:47 2007
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:27:47 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim OTR is only for' geeks', to complicated for
 regular users, suggestion.....
In-Reply-To: <45DB732F.6000507@freenet.de>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de>  <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com>
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  <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de> <2a12af650702061142qa8ed163ud6fccc346a7eb72b@mail.gmail.com>
 <45DB5DD4.9060907@freenet.de> <45DB65D1.8060704@freenet.de> <45DB68DC.8090101@web.de>
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, readytogo2 wrote:

> portable version is also a bit harder to use then the setup.

> An installer  for Gaim Portable with OTR Portable.

For a while the portable gaim included OTR. I believe they dropped it
because it conflicted with another plugin? We should indeed talk to
the portable gaim people and help them with any issues, so it will
just be part og portable gaim without extra downloads.

Paul


From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Tue Feb 20 23:32:43 2007
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:32:43 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim OTR is only for' geeks', to complicated for
 regular users, suggestion.....
In-Reply-To: <45DB7E6C.8020309@freenet.de>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de> <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com>
 <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de> <20070203031134.GD6152@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
 <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de> <2a12af650702061142qa8ed163ud6fccc346a7eb72b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, readytogo2 wrote:

> It`s simple if you already convinced of gaim to install otr. But it`s
> not so user friendly to change from icq to gaim. Gaim is confusing

Sure. People have started work on Trillian and Miranda plugins for OTR.
Most OTR developers are not Windows users, so this item is a bit up to
those who have an interest in not switching to gaim.exe.

> > Setting up a proxy is not the way to solve it? Secway's product uses a

> Well. Yes and No. Simp works as a proxy but the user don`t even need to
> know what a proxy is.

To me, the proxy is useless because it does not support MSN, and that's
the number 1 protocol used in Europe. It's only North America where everyone
uses AIM/ICQ. If the proxy supported MSN, I would sit down and make a nice
otrproxy installer for Windows with a small note on how to use it.

And if we are voicing our wishes, gaim-tui support and otrproxy with ncurses
support would rock too. And someone should fix proxy support in bitlbee so
it works with otrproxy.

Paul


From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Wed Feb 21 00:00:35 2007
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:00:35 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim OTR is only for' geeks', to complicated for
 regular users, suggestion.....
In-Reply-To: <20070220222754.770bbee8@darwin>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de> <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Alex wrote:

>  "If you really want many usrs to use encrypted messages we need
> something really easy. Setting up proxy or using other clients is not
> really a way to solve this."

We can't make the plugin easier then it is already. It already does
"opportunistic encryption" meaning it will find other OTR clients
automatically. It's up to the IM software or community to incorporate
the protocol and/or plugins.

> I wanted him (readytogo2) to see that SimpLite DOES indeed use a
> proxy just as OTR can. The screenshot helps him see the proxy in action.
> What he doesn't realize is that all SimpLite does is set some
> configuration settings (via registry or otherwise) to FORCE the program
> (AIM, gaim, etc) use the proxy. I personally hate this "feature"

It is also very insecure, since I assume (without looking at the screenshot)
that the user cannot really see whehter or not a current conversation is
encrypted, since the IM client itself is not aware of any of these special
proxy features. This is why there is gaim-otr, and not just otrproxy.

Paul


From tronica at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 04:35:39 2007
From: tronica at gmail.com (Monica Barratt)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:35:39 +1100
Subject: [OTR-users] AdiumX question
Message-ID: <f4ac21fb0702210135v3cd6aa80ifb0354602dea435f@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have a Mac to test this on and was unable to locate any instructions
online. Can anyone on this list confirm whether OTR comes packaged with
Adium? Or does it need to be installed as a plug-in as per Gaim.

Thanks
monica
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From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Wed Feb 21 07:46:53 2007
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:46:53 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Sources for GAIM 2.0 beta 6?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702210521120.22174@tla.xelerance.com>
References: <45DAF557.4050704@Gravier.org> <20070220152306.GC22021@thunk.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45DB1841.50400@Gravier.org> <45DB2977.6030501@yahoo.com> <45DB2EF5.4080902@Gravier.org> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702210521120.22174@tla.xelerance.com>
Message-ID: <20070221124653.GG19501@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 05:22:10AM +0100, Paul Wouters wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Gilles Gravier wrote:
> 
> > Tried this... run into problems of not having a proper autoconf / automake
> > environment on Solaris.
> >
> > I can build from proper .tar distribs... but can't get the CVS build to work.
> 
> If i rn autoreconf from CVS, I get:
> 
> [paul at bofh gaim-otr]$     autoreconf -s -i
> aclocal:configure.ac:15: warning: macro `AM_DISABLE_STATIC' not found in library
> aclocal:configure.ac:16: warning: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library
> configure.ac:15: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_DISABLE_STATIC
>       If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
>       See the Autoconf documentation.
> configure.ac:16: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_LIBTOOL
> autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1
> 
> So it seems like CVS needs more fixing with its configure script. But I have
> no time to look into this right now :(

What version of autoconf / automake do you have?  I'm using autoconf 2.59
and automake 1.4-p6, and they work without errors.

   - Ian


From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Wed Feb 21 07:47:26 2007
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:47:26 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] AdiumX question
In-Reply-To: <f4ac21fb0702210135v3cd6aa80ifb0354602dea435f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f4ac21fb0702210135v3cd6aa80ifb0354602dea435f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070221124726.GH19501@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:35:39PM +1100, Monica Barratt wrote:
> I don't have a Mac to test this on and was unable to locate any instructions
> online. Can anyone on this list confirm whether OTR comes packaged with
> Adium? Or does it need to be installed as a plug-in as per Gaim.

OTR is indeed built in to Adium X.

   - Ian


From Gilles at Gravier.org  Wed Feb 21 08:01:16 2007
From: Gilles at Gravier.org (Gilles Gravier)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:01:16 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] Sources for GAIM 2.0 beta 6?
In-Reply-To: <20070221124653.GG19501@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <45DAF557.4050704@Gravier.org> <20070220152306.GC22021@thunk.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45DB1841.50400@Gravier.org> <45DB2977.6030501@yahoo.com> <45DB2EF5.4080902@Gravier.org> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702210521120.22174@tla.xelerance.com> <20070221124653.GG19501@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <45DC429C.7010103@Gravier.org>

Well... given what Paul Wouter said... I think it's irrelevant which 
version... he has the same errors as I have.

For the record (pun intended) I use autoconf 2.60 and automake 1.10.

I get the same error messages that Paul reports.

So I suspect it is actually not a problem on my machine... but maybe the 
CVS version has some issues...

Gilles.

Ian Goldberg wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 05:22:10AM +0100, Paul Wouters wrote:
>   
>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Gilles Gravier wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Tried this... run into problems of not having a proper autoconf / automake
>>> environment on Solaris.
>>>
>>> I can build from proper .tar distribs... but can't get the CVS build to work.
>>>       
>> If i rn autoreconf from CVS, I get:
>>
>> [paul at bofh gaim-otr]$     autoreconf -s -i
>> aclocal:configure.ac:15: warning: macro `AM_DISABLE_STATIC' not found in library
>> aclocal:configure.ac:16: warning: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library
>> configure.ac:15: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_DISABLE_STATIC
>>       If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
>>       See the Autoconf documentation.
>> configure.ac:16: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_LIBTOOL
>> autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1
>>
>> So it seems like CVS needs more fixing with its configure script. But I have
>> no time to look into this right now :(
>>     
>
> What version of autoconf / automake do you have?  I'm using autoconf 2.59
> and automake 1.4-p6, and they work without errors.
>
>    - Ian
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>   

-- 
/*Gilles Gravier*/ *=* *Gilles at Gravier.org* <mailto:Gilles at Gravier.org> 
*=* *http://www.gravier.org/*
ICQ : *77488526* 
<http://www.icq.com/whitepages/about_me.php?Uin=77488526> * || *MSN 
Messenger : Gilles at Gravier.org <http://members.msn.com/Gilles at Gravier.org>*
*Skype : ggravier <callto://ggravier>* || *Y! : ggravier 
<http://profiles.yahoo.com/ggravier> || AOL : gillesgravier 
<aim:goim?screenname=gillesgravier>
PGP Key ID : *0x8DE6D026* 
<http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x8DE6D026&op=index>
"Chastity is its own punishment." (/Solomon Short/) [/David Gerrold/]
"De toutes les aberrations sexuelles, la chastet? est la plus 
aberrante." [Anatole France]

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From Tommy.B at gmx.net  Wed Feb 21 08:07:49 2007
From: Tommy.B at gmx.net (Thomas B.)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:07:49 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] Sources for GAIM 2.0 beta 6?
In-Reply-To: <45DC429C.7010103@Gravier.org>
References: <45DAF557.4050704@Gravier.org> <20070220152306.GC22021@thunk.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45DB1841.50400@Gravier.org> <45DB2977.6030501@yahoo.com> <45DB2EF5.4080902@Gravier.org> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702210521120.22174@tla.xelerance.com> <20070221124653.GG19501@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca> <45DC429C.7010103@Gravier.org>
Message-ID: <45DC4425.6010204@gmx.net>

Hi,

I just googled that error message, and maybe this helps:

http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/faq/html/chapter-cvs.html#autogen-libtool

BTW, I use autoconf 2.60 and automake 1.9.6, and building gaim-otr from
CVS works for me.

Thomas


Gilles Gravier wrote:
> Well... given what Paul Wouter said... I think it's irrelevant which
> version... he has the same errors as I have.
>
> For the record (pun intended) I use autoconf 2.60 and automake 1.10.
>
> I get the same error messages that Paul reports.
>
> So I suspect it is actually not a problem on my machine... but maybe
> the CVS version has some issues...
>
> Gilles.
>
> Ian Goldberg wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 05:22:10AM +0100, Paul Wouters wrote:
>>   
>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Gilles Gravier wrote:
>>>
>>>     
>>>> Tried this... run into problems of not having a proper autoconf / automake
>>>> environment on Solaris.
>>>>
>>>> I can build from proper .tar distribs... but can't get the CVS build to work.
>>>>       
>>> If i rn autoreconf from CVS, I get:
>>>
>>> [paul at bofh gaim-otr]$     autoreconf -s -i
>>> aclocal:configure.ac:15: warning: macro `AM_DISABLE_STATIC' not found in library
>>> aclocal:configure.ac:16: warning: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library
>>> configure.ac:15: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_DISABLE_STATIC
>>>       If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
>>>       See the Autoconf documentation.
>>> configure.ac:16: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_LIBTOOL
>>> autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1
>>>
>>> So it seems like CVS needs more fixing with its configure script. But I have
>>> no time to look into this right now :(
>>>     
>>
>> What version of autoconf / automake do you have?  I'm using autoconf 2.59
>> and automake 1.4-p6, and they work without errors.
>>
>>    - Ian
>> _______________________________________________
>> OTR-users mailing list
>> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
>> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>>   
>
> -- 
> /*Gilles Gravier*/ *=* *Gilles at Gravier.org*
> <mailto:Gilles at Gravier.org> *=* *http://www.gravier.org/*
> ICQ : *77488526*
> <http://www.icq.com/whitepages/about_me.php?Uin=77488526> * || *MSN
> Messenger : Gilles at Gravier.org
> <http://members.msn.com/Gilles at Gravier.org>*
> *Skype : ggravier <callto://ggravier>* || *Y! : ggravier
> <http://profiles.yahoo.com/ggravier> || AOL : gillesgravier
> <aim:goim?screenname=gillesgravier>
> PGP Key ID : *0x8DE6D026*
> <http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x8DE6D026&op=index>
> "Chastity is its own punishment." (/Solomon Short/) [/David Gerrold/]
> "De toutes les aberrations sexuelles, la chastet? est la plus
> aberrante." [Anatole France]
>



From Tommy.B at gmx.net  Wed Feb 21 08:35:32 2007
From: Tommy.B at gmx.net (Thomas B.)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:35:32 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] @developers, may I create a german OTR website?
In-Reply-To: <45DB6EBA.4060002@gmx.net>
References: <45BDB51C.5020306@freenet.de>	 <2a12af650701290757q4af4f241oed9fddc7d7024160@mail.gmail.com>	 <45C3D0C7.1000804@freenet.de>	 <20070203031134.GD6152@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>	 <45C8BA91.4040508@freenet.de> <2a12af650702061142qa8ed163ud6fccc346a7eb72b@mail.gmail.com> <45DB5DD4.9060907@freenet.de> <45DB6EBA.4060002@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <45DC4AA4.8090202@gmx.net>

Speaking of compiling gaim-otr from CVS, there's one thing I forgot in
my instructions for applying my internationalisation patch:

If you want to compile with my patch, you'll have to run "intltoolize
--force --copy" at some point, which will copy files necessary for
intltool into the gaim-otr directory. This is either done automatically
when running "makedist" (as I have put that command into the makedist
script) or you have to execute it manually.

This is also a thing that will only affect users building from CVS,
because the intltool files will be distributed with the tarballs created
by "makedist", so that users building from that tarballs won't need to
have intltool installed.

Thomas


Thomas B. schrieb:
> If you want to test it, here's how to do it (at least for Linux users, I
> haven't tried compiling gaim-otr under Windows or other platforms yet):
> Get the CVS source of gaim-otr (e.g. from Sourceforge), extract the
> attached tarball into the gaim-otr directory, apply the patch and
> configure gaim-otr, for example with "makedist" (you'll need intltool
> installed in addition to the packages usually needed to compile gaim-otr
> >from CVS). You should then be able to compile gaim-otr (hopefully
> without errors).
> If that works so far, you can then add new translations with the
> following steps: Go to the "po" subdirectory and execute
> "../intltool-update --pot". That will extract all translateable messages
> >from the gaim-otr source and put it into a PO template file called
> "gaim-otr.pot". You can then copy that file to a new PO file for your
> language (e.g. "de.po") and start translating. If you want the
> translation to be built with the rest of the package, put that PO file
> into the "po" directory, add the language code to the ALL_LINGUAS
> variable in configure.ac, do a "autoreconf" and rebuild gaim-otr.
>
> Thomas
>
>   



From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Wed Feb 21 11:08:58 2007
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:08:58 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [OTR-users] Sources for GAIM 2.0 beta 6?
In-Reply-To: <20070221124653.GG19501@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <45DAF557.4050704@Gravier.org> <20070220152306.GC22021@thunk.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
 <45DB1841.50400@Gravier.org> <45DB2977.6030501@yahoo.com> <45DB2EF5.4080902@Gravier.org>
 <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702210521120.22174@tla.xelerance.com>
 <20070221124653.GG19501@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702211707360.29449@tla.xelerance.com>

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Ian Goldberg wrote:

> > If i rn autoreconf from CVS, I get:
> >
> > [paul at bofh gaim-otr]$     autoreconf -s -i
> > aclocal:configure.ac:15: warning: macro `AM_DISABLE_STATIC' not found in library
> > aclocal:configure.ac:16: warning: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library
> > configure.ac:15: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_DISABLE_STATIC
> >       If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
> >       See the Autoconf documentation.
> > configure.ac:16: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_LIBTOOL
> > autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1
> >
> > So it seems like CVS needs more fixing with its configure script. But I have
> > no time to look into this right now :(
>
> What version of autoconf / automake do you have?  I'm using autoconf 2.59
> and automake 1.4-p6, and they work without errors.

This was a missing libtools package. So my error. The error I meant to report was
something about READLINE being used without some GNU READLINE configure option,
but I don't know on which machine I ran into that issue, obviously not the one
from the above error.

I"ll post when i run into it again.

Paul
-- 
Building and integrating Virtual Private Networks with Openswan:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1904811256/104-3099591-2946327?n=283155


From gdt at ir.bbn.com  Wed Feb 21 13:13:19 2007
From: gdt at ir.bbn.com (Greg Troxel)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:13:19 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] Jabber, OTR and offline messages
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702192142160.7623@tla.xelerance.com> (Paul
	Wouters's message of "Mon\, 19 Feb 2007 21\:45\:51 +0100 \(CET\)")
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702192142160.7623@tla.xelerance.com>
Message-ID: <rmi3b4z1irk.fsf@fnord.ir.bbn.com>

Paul Wouters <paul at cypherpunks.ca> writes:

> The question is what to do in this case? If OTR knows about the jabber
> state of the target (online or offline), then it probably should refuse
> a new OTR connection. But it should definitely not send a plaintext
> message either, especially because it can be stored on the jabber server
> for a while before the other party logs on again to retrieve it.

OTR cannot know about the online/offline state, because this might be
a session with somehow with whom presence is not being exchanged.  or
presence might be temporarily withdrawn.    jabber itself doesn't
impose a 'need presence in order to send' rule, so OTR shouldn't
either.

I have never never seen a storm like you are reporting, even with
someone who I talk to often but goes on and offline, sometimes
exiting, sometimes not.  System is NetBSD with gaim 1.5 and
libotr/gaim-otr 3.0.0.


From tronica at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 19:10:56 2007
From: tronica at gmail.com (Monica Barratt)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:10:56 +1100
Subject: [OTR-users] AdiumX question
In-Reply-To: <20070221124726.GH19501@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
References: <f4ac21fb0702210135v3cd6aa80ifb0354602dea435f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20070221124726.GH19501@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <f4ac21fb0702231610h56364d5xdf260d069243635c@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Ian. There are no instructions because none are needed :)

On 21/02/07, Ian Goldberg <ian at cypherpunks.ca> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:35:39PM +1100, Monica Barratt wrote:
> > I don't have a Mac to test this on and was unable to locate any
> instructions
> > online. Can anyone on this list confirm whether OTR comes packaged with
> > Adium? Or does it need to be installed as a plug-in as per Gaim.
>
> OTR is indeed built in to Adium X.
>
>    - Ian
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
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From tronica at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 05:07:23 2007
From: tronica at gmail.com (Monica Barratt)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:07:23 +1100
Subject: [OTR-users] Request for review of Encryption Guide
Message-ID: <f4ac21fb0702250207m289ec530weaa3cbb077897072@mail.gmail.com>

Hi OTR-users

Would anyone on this list be prepared to look over a document I've put
together which explains the need for encryption email/IM and various ways of
doing it (with focus on OTR for IM)?

I'm going to use it whilst recruiting research participants for my PhD
project. My project relates to recreational drug use and participation in
online forums / bulletin boards where drugs are discussed (see
http://db.ndri.curtin.edu.au/research.asp?resprtyid=12&typeid=1&projid=390for
further description).

The document aims to provide an option to suit research participants with
varied levels of concern about privacy, hence I have mentioned sub-optimal
options such as using an email address or log-in details that are not
connected to real names should participants be unable/unwilling to use
encryption.

I intend to distribute this document to people who have expressed an
interest in participation, as well as upon the forthcoming project website.
So it will be public and given it heavily promotes OTR, I also thought it
would be great to include an endorsement from someone from the OTR team at
the end of the document. I'm a psychology graduate without any formal
training in data security - so for my own peace of mind, I am keen to have
the document endorsed too. A senior IT member of staff at my university has
looked at my procedures, but not really in enough detail to satisfy me!

Here is a link to it: http://savefile.com/files/516341

Primarily I'm interested in fixing any statements that are incorrect, but
also in any other ideas anyone has about clarity/usability. Comments on my
project are welcome too!

thanks
monica
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