From John@TheAtas.org  Sat Jun 17 04:22:26 2006
From: John@TheAtas.org (John G. Ata)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:22:26 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] Cannot get a private conversation going
Message-ID: <001501c691bd$41c89a30$0100a8c0@ata>

Hi,

I've installed Gaim 2 beta 3 and the OTR 3.0.0 plugin on Windows XP.  Everything
seems to be working fine except I cannot start a private conversation.  I've tried
this with multiple Jabber servers and AIM and the results are all the same.  I can
generate the private key just fine.  But when I try and start a private conversation,
I get:

Attempting to start a private conversation with <name> 
 
in the chat window.  Then nothing happens.  I can coninute sending messages in the
clear with no problem.  I have tried this with conversations to myself and with
others... same result.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
John




From aldert@rotz.org  Sun Jun 18 16:38:45 2006
From: aldert@rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:38:45 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] Where do the private keys of OTR go (windows)
Message-ID: <44957385.5000405@rotz.org>

Hi Guys and Girls,

I am making screenshots and try to capture "Generate" private key(s) in
Gaim 2.0 beta 3 on windows after I already did that (generate private
key) once.

For that I have to delete/remove this/the private key(s).

I cannot find the place where they are stored.
(disk?, registry? other?)

Any help would be appreciated :)

Thanks !

Aldert.


From aldert@rotz.org  Sun Jun 18 16:47:00 2006
From: aldert@rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:47:00 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR plugin for Gaim 2.0 Beta3 (windows)
Message-ID: <44957574.2030304@rotz.org>

Hi Girls and Guys,

2 questions about the gaim-otr.dll (Gaim OTr for windows) :

1. I noticed that the gaim-otr.dll on the OTR website is 3.6 MegaBytes.
   The one supplied in gaim2-otr-3.0.0.exe on the OTR website
   is 'only' 393 KiloBytes.

   Anything happening or not happening here ?

2. The OTR website talks about Gaim 2 beta2. Gaim is now "in" 2 beta 3.

   Is the supplied DLL in gaim2b2-otr3.zip still ok to use ?

fyi, I notice that installing Gaim 2 next to Gaim 1.5 on windows is
     actually an upgrade, it looks to me that having Gaim 1.5 and
     Gaim 2.0beta next to each other on a windows system in impossible..

Aldert.

From aldert@rotz.org  Sun Jun 18 16:55:31 2006
From: aldert@rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:55:31 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] Verification of OTR plugin for Miranda IM
Message-ID: <44957773.4020209@rotz.org>

Hi Guys and Girls,

I noticed that Miranda IM has an OTR plugin (cool!!!!!, thanks Scott!)
http://addons.miranda-im.org/details.php?action=viewfile&id=2644

Question I have about this :

1. As it seems to me that this plugin is written by somebody not in
   the "core" OTR team, should the code not be checked for "issues" ?

   Code can be found here :
   http://addons.miranda-im.org/feed.php?dlsource=2644

2. Even if the code is ok, how can i be sure that the ddl supplied is
   built from that code ? (as the dll is not supplied by the OTR team)

Aldert.


From aldert@rotz.org  Sun Jun 18 17:07:34 2006
From: aldert@rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:07:34 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] Table of Understanding
Message-ID: <44957A46.6080808@rotz.org>

Hi Girls and Guys,

I would like to create a "table of understanding", where a series of
tests verify on what IM networks OTR works and if various IM programs
on various OS'es talk properly OTR with each other.

Now I wonder :

- what those tests should be
and more important

- how to find out if the OTR handshake went "ok"
  (on windows, osx and linux)
and
- if the encryption is actually being "done"
  (on windows, osx and linux)

Any ideas and suggestions are -very- welcome !

Aldert.


From John@TheAtas.org  Sun Jun 18 18:58:49 2006
From: John@TheAtas.org (John G. Ata)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:58:49 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] Where do the private keys of OTR go (windows)
In-Reply-To: <44957385.5000405@rotz.org>
Message-ID: <000301c69300$da4b2a40$0100a8c0@ata>

Private key is in
C:\Documents and Settings\ataj\Application Data\.gaim\otr.private_key

Does anyone know how to regenerate a key other than wiping out this file manually?

-- John 

-----Original Message-----
From: otr-users-admin@lists.cypherpunks.ca
[mailto:otr-users-admin@lists.cypherpunks.ca] On Behalf Of Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:39 AM
To: otr-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
Subject: [OTR-users] Where do the private keys of OTR go (windows)


Hi Guys and Girls,

I am making screenshots and try to capture "Generate" private key(s) in
Gaim 2.0 beta 3 on windows after I already did that (generate private
key) once.

For that I have to delete/remove this/the private key(s).

I cannot find the place where they are stored.
(disk?, registry? other?)

Any help would be appreciated :)

Thanks !

Aldert.

_______________________________________________
OTR-users mailing list
OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users



From aldert@rotz.org  Sun Jun 18 20:57:46 2006
From: aldert@rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:57:46 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] Where do the private keys of OTR go (windows)
In-Reply-To: <000301c69300$da4b2a40$0100a8c0@ata>
References: <000301c69300$da4b2a40$0100a8c0@ata>
Message-ID: <4495B03A.5090503@rotz.org>

Ah, there it is. Thanks John.

I have an out of the box XP SP2 and I forgot that you have to teach
it to include system and hidden files in the directory -and- search
windows...

Aldert.


John G. Ata wrote:
> Private key is in
> C:\Documents and Settings\ataj\Application Data\.gaim\otr.private_key
> 
> Does anyone know how to regenerate a key other than wiping out this file manually?
> 
> -- John 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: otr-users-admin@lists.cypherpunks.ca
> [mailto:otr-users-admin@lists.cypherpunks.ca] On Behalf Of Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:39 AM
> To: otr-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
> Subject: [OTR-users] Where do the private keys of OTR go (windows)
> 
> 
> Hi Guys and Girls,
> 
> I am making screenshots and try to capture "Generate" private key(s) in
> Gaim 2.0 beta 3 on windows after I already did that (generate private
> key) once.
> 
> For that I have to delete/remove this/the private key(s).
> 
> I cannot find the place where they are stored.
> (disk?, registry? other?)
> 
> Any help would be appreciated :)
> 
> Thanks !
> 
> Aldert.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users


From aldert@rotz.org  Sun Jun 18 21:09:40 2006
From: aldert@rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:09:40 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] Verification of OTR plugin for Trillian Pro
Message-ID: <4495B304.40601@rotz.org>

Hi Guys and Girls,

I noticed that Trillian Pro now has an OTR plugin as well !
(this time Twan of is the cool guy :) found emails from him in otr-dev)

http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/downloads/detail.php?item=378

Again question I have about this :

1. As it seems to me that this plugin is written by somebody not in
   the "core" OTR team, should the code not be checked for "issues" ?

   I cannot find the source code of the plugin, something that makes
   it even harder to check I guess :)

2. Even if the code is ok, how can i be sure that the ddl supplied is
   built from that code ? (as the dll is not supplied by the OTR team)

Aldert.



From aldert@rotz.org  Sun Jun 18 21:16:29 2006
From: aldert@rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:16:29 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR private key locations for Gaim, Miranda IM and Trillian Pro on
 Windows
Message-ID: <4495B49D.6000506@rotz.org>

Girls and Guys,

Locations and Names of the private key files of OTR
for Gaim , Miranda IM and Trillian Pro for windows :

Gaim :
C:\Documents and Settings\<user name>\Application Data\.gaim\otr

Miranda IM :
C:\Program Files\Miranda IM\OTR_data\<miranda profile name>_otr

Trillian Pro :
C:\Program Files\Trillian\users\default\otr

My 2 euro cents :)
Aldert.





From robert@abovegroundnetworks.com  Tue Jun 27 18:07:04 2006
From: robert@abovegroundnetworks.com (Robert Hartman)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:07:04 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR'd Jabber
Message-ID: <9222E598-CFEC-4946-91D4-0C6139724A4B@abovegroundnetworks.com>

Hello,

Is there Jabber support within OTR?

Thanks,

Robert

From thebrokenladder@gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 19:07:15 2006
From: thebrokenladder@gmail.com (CLAY S)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:07:15 -0700
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR'd Jabber
In-Reply-To: <9222E598-CFEC-4946-91D4-0C6139724A4B@abovegroundnetworks.com>
References: <9222E598-CFEC-4946-91D4-0C6139724A4B@abovegroundnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <eef643190606271107i699ebc6ap86cc223dc9b73370@mail.gmail.com>

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Absolutely...in fact it assuradly works best.  This brings me to a point I
was just making to a buddy, since OTR is always doing weird glitchy things
like trying to encrypt to him, even though he's not using OTR right now:
it's too bad OTR wasn't implemented as just a Jabber extension, because it
would also help put pressure on people to ditch non-Jabber IM systems.  Oh
well...enjoy OTR.  It rules.

Clay

On 6/27/06, Robert Hartman <robert@abovegroundnetworks.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Is there Jabber support within OTR?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>



-- 
"Little Bush says we are at war, but we are not at war because to be at war
Congress has
to vote for it. He says we are at war on terror, but that is a metaphor,
though I doubt if
he knows what that means. It's like having a war on dandruff, it's endless
and pointless.
We are in a dictatorship that has been totally militarised, everyone is
spied on by the
government itself. All three arms of the government are in the hands of this
junta."

Gore Vidal

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Absolutely...in fact it assuradly works best.&nbsp; This brings me to a point I was just making to a buddy, since OTR is always doing weird glitchy things like trying to encrypt to him, even though he's not using OTR right now: it's too bad OTR wasn't implemented as just a Jabber extension, because it would also help put pressure on people to ditch non-Jabber IM systems.&nbsp; Oh well...enjoy OTR.&nbsp; It rules.
<br><br>Clay<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/27/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Robert Hartman</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:robert@abovegroundnetworks.com">robert@abovegroundnetworks.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>Hello,<br><br>Is there Jabber support within OTR?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Robert<br>_______________________________________________<br>OTR-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca">OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
</a><br><a href="http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users">http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>&quot;Little Bush says we are at war, but we are not at war because to be at war Congress has
<br>to vote for it. He says we are at war on terror, but that is a metaphor, though I doubt if<br>he knows what that means. It's like having a war on dandruff, it's endless and pointless.<br>We are in a dictatorship that has been totally militarised, everyone is spied on by the
<br>government itself. All three arms of the government are in the hands of this junta.&quot;<br><br>Gore Vidal

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From kat@paip.net  Wed Jun 28 22:23:46 2006
From: kat@paip.net (Kat Hanna)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:23:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR'd Jabber
In-Reply-To: <9222E598-CFEC-4946-91D4-0C6139724A4B@abovegroundnetworks.com>
References: <9222E598-CFEC-4946-91D4-0C6139724A4B@abovegroundnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0606281719570.5437@marshall.paip.net>

If you use the otr plugin for gaim, or Adium X, jabber works just fine.
Jabber is not supported by otr-proxy, so if you use a client that
requires that, it won't work.

 -Kat

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Robert Hartman wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> Is there Jabber support within OTR?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>

From alex323@gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 23:08:23 2006
From: alex323@gmail.com (Alex)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:08:23 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] Progress on OTR flaws
Message-ID: <44A2FDD7.9040904@gmail.com>

Has there been any new development on OTR which addresses the flaws 
outlined in "Finite-State Security Analysis of OTR Version 2"?

 - Alex

From gmaxwell@gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 23:26:51 2006
From: gmaxwell@gmail.com (Gregory Maxwell)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:26:51 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] Progress on OTR flaws
In-Reply-To: <44A2FDD7.9040904@gmail.com>
References: <44A2FDD7.9040904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e692861c0606281526j61c0e181u1007f2d273891c1b@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/28/06, Alex <alex323@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has there been any new development on OTR which addresses the flaws
> outlined in "Finite-State Security Analysis of OTR Version 2"?

I'd be more interested in seeing a reply than 'fixes' ... some of the
flaws they found are in my eyes not actually flaws.

For example they show a a third party with complete control of the
network can prevent a forth party from obtaining the correct MAC keys
needed to forge the discussion. They claim that this breaks the strong
denyability aspect of OTR, but I disagree. It is immaterial if the
forth party could have forged the messages because the messages could
have been forged by the third party (or by either of the folks
communicating).

From free_dixie@dixie-net.com  Thu Jun 29 08:08:39 2006
From: free_dixie@dixie-net.com (Thomas M. Jett)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:08:39 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR'd Jabber
In-Reply-To: <eef643190606271107i699ebc6ap86cc223dc9b73370@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9222E598-CFEC-4946-91D4-0C6139724A4B@abovegroundnetworks.com> <eef643190606271107i699ebc6ap86cc223dc9b73370@mail.gmail.com>
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Humm,<br>
<br>
While I agree that OTR is a very good encryption program for IM's, the<br>
idea of making it available  only to Jabber in order to force/pressure<br>
people to adopt Jabber is repulsive.<br>
<br>
I for one do not use Jabber, and have no plans to do so.  Were Jabber<br>
able to exert pressure on people to adopt their IM, and attempt to put<br>
the other IM's out of business for lack of use, I would rather do<br>
without than be forced/pressured to use Jabber.<br>
<br>
I don't personally have anything against Jabber, but I am satisfied<br>
with the IM's I presently use.<br>
<br>
The main reason I replied to this message is because the idea of<br>
forcing one's  belief's onto others, who do not wish to be forced into<br>
believing has become so prevalent today.  Example --&gt; the nazi-con<br>
(more commonly known as neo-con, but nazi-con is a far more accurate<br>
description) idea of FORCING "Democracy" on whatever country they want<br>
to exploit (BTW, the con in nazi-con/neo-con DOES NOT stand for<br>
Conservative!  The nazi-con's are in fact trotskites (sp?), in other<br>
words they are ideological heirs of Trotsky).<br>
<br>
<br>
Thomas M. Jett<br>
<br>
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain<br>
the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the<br>
government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests. " ~<br>
Patrick Henry<br>
<br>
"Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall<br>
be unfurled, there will [America's] heart, her benedictions, and her<br>
prayers be. But she does not go abroad in search of monsters to<br>
destroy. She is the well wisher to the freedom and independence of<br>
all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own..." ~ John<br>
Quincy Adams<br>
<br>
"Essential principles" of our nation: "peace, commerce, and honest<br>
friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none..." ~<br>
Thomas Jefferson<br>
<br>
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from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a<br>
precedent that will reach to himself.<br>
<br>
~ Thomas Paine, Dissertation on First Principles of Government,<br>
December 23, 1791<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
| Absolutely...in fact it assuradly works best.  This brings me to a<br>
| point I was just making to a buddy, since OTR is always doing weird<br>
| glitchy things like trying to encrypt to him, even though he's not<br>
| using OTR right now: it's too bad OTR wasn't implemented as just a<br>
| Jabber extension, because it would also help put pressure on people<br>
| to ditch non-Jabber IM systems.  Oh well...enjoy OTR.  It rules.<br>
|<br>
| Clay<br>
|<br>
| On 6/27/06, *Robert Hartman* &lt;<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:robert@abovegroundnetworks.com">robert@abovegroundnetworks.com</a><br>
| <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:robert@abovegroundnetworks.com">&lt;mailto:robert@abovegroundnetworks.com&gt;</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
|<br>
|<br>
|     Hello,<br>
|<br>
|     Is there Jabber support within OTR?<br>
|<br>
|     Thanks,<br>
|<br>
|     Robert<br>
|     _______________________________________________<br>
|     OTR-users mailing list<br>
|     <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca">OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca</a><br>
|     <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca">&lt;mailto:OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca&gt;</a><br>
|     <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users">http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users</a><br>
|<br>
|<br>
|<br>
|<br>
| --<br>
| "Little Bush says we are at war, but we are not at war because to be<br>
| at war Congress has<br>
| to vote for it. He says we are at war on terror, but that is a<br>
| metaphor, though I doubt if<br>
| he knows what that means. It's like having a war on dandruff, it's<br>
| endless and pointless.<br>
| We are in a dictatorship that has been totally militarised, everyone<br>
| is spied on by the<br>
| government itself. All three arms of the government are in the hands<br>
| of this junta."<br>
|<br>
| Gore Vidal<br>
<br>
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From aldert@rotz.org  Thu Jun 29 11:08:48 2006
From: aldert@rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:08:48 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] Verification of OTR plugin for Trillian Pro
In-Reply-To: <4495B304.40601@rotz.org>
References: <4495B304.40601@rotz.org>
Message-ID: <44A3A6B0.5030107@rotz.org>

Any response from the OTR team would be appreciated.

Aldert.

Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote:
> Hi Guys and Girls,
> 
> I noticed that Trillian Pro now has an OTR plugin as well !
> (this time Twan of is the cool guy :) found emails from him in otr-dev)
> 
> http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/downloads/detail.php?item=378
> 
> Again question I have about this :
> 
> 1. As it seems to me that this plugin is written by somebody not in
>    the "core" OTR team, should the code not be checked for "issues" ?
> 
>    I cannot find the source code of the plugin, something that makes
>    it even harder to check I guess :)
> 
> 2. Even if the code is ok, how can i be sure that the ddl supplied is
>    built from that code ? (as the dll is not supplied by the OTR team)
> 
> Aldert.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users


From aldert@rotz.org  Thu Jun 29 11:10:02 2006
From: aldert@rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:10:02 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] Verification of OTR plugin for Miranda IM
In-Reply-To: <44957773.4020209@rotz.org>
References: <44957773.4020209@rotz.org>
Message-ID: <44A3A6FA.9010906@rotz.org>

Also here a response from the OTR team would be appreciated.

Aldert.

Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote:
> Hi Guys and Girls,
> 
> I noticed that Miranda IM has an OTR plugin (cool!!!!!, thanks Scott!)
> http://addons.miranda-im.org/details.php?action=viewfile&id=2644
> 
> Question I have about this :
> 
> 1. As it seems to me that this plugin is written by somebody not in
>    the "core" OTR team, should the code not be checked for "issues" ?
> 
>    Code can be found here :
>    http://addons.miranda-im.org/feed.php?dlsource=2644
> 
> 2. Even if the code is ok, how can i be sure that the ddl supplied is
>    built from that code ? (as the dll is not supplied by the OTR team)
> 
> Aldert.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users


From me@nikita.ca  Thu Jun 29 11:39:52 2006
From: me@nikita.ca (Nikita Borisov)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:39:52 +0100
Subject: [OTR-users] Verification of OTR plugin for Trillian Pro
In-Reply-To: <44A3A6B0.5030107@rotz.org>
References: <4495B304.40601@rotz.org> <44A3A6B0.5030107@rotz.org>
Message-ID: <16f0378d0606290339g74db0bc9k7e122622b2b85a4f@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/29/06, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg <aldert@rotz.org> wrote:
> Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote:
> > Hi Guys and Girls,
> >
> > I noticed that Trillian Pro now has an OTR plugin as well !
> > (this time Twan of is the cool guy :) found emails from him in otr-dev)
> >
> > http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/downloads/detail.php?item=378
> >
> > Again question I have about this :
> >
> > 1. As it seems to me that this plugin is written by somebody not in
> >    the "core" OTR team, should the code not be checked for "issues" ?
> >
> >    I cannot find the source code of the plugin, something that makes
> >    it even harder to check I guess :)
> >
> > 2. Even if the code is ok, how can i be sure that the ddl supplied is
> >    built from that code ? (as the dll is not supplied by the OTR team)

I think whether the DLL is supplied by us or someone else is not
really the issue; if you want to make sure that code you are running
doesn't have "issues," you probably want to check and compile all your
own software.  Obviously, you won't be able to do that with Trillian
since the source code is available, and it sounds like the plugin has
similar problems.  There isn't much we can do about it, whether you
decide to use the plugin or switch to another IM program is up to you.

- Nikita

From robert@abovegroundnetworks.com  Thu Jun 29 12:08:04 2006
From: robert@abovegroundnetworks.com (Robert Hartman)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:08:04 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR'd Jabber
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0606281719570.5437@marshall.paip.net>
References: <9222E598-CFEC-4946-91D4-0C6139724A4B@abovegroundnetworks.com> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0606281719570.5437@marshall.paip.net>
Message-ID: <9CBD379E-C730-4D52-B911-681B3D3FDF8F@abovegroundnetworks.com>

Is anyone working on otr-proxy for jabber?  Would be great to have if  
it's possible.

-- Rob

On Jun 28, 2006, at 5:23 PM, Kat Hanna wrote:

>
> If you use the otr plugin for gaim, or Adium X, jabber works just  
> fine.
> Jabber is not supported by otr-proxy, so if you use a client that
> requires that, it won't work.
>
>  -Kat
>
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Robert Hartman wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is there Jabber support within OTR?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Robert
>> _______________________________________________
>> OTR-users mailing list
>> OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
>> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>>


From aldert@rotz.org  Thu Jun 29 13:22:13 2006
From: aldert@rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:22:13 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] Verification of OTR plugin for Trillian Pro
In-Reply-To: <16f0378d0606290339g74db0bc9k7e122622b2b85a4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4495B304.40601@rotz.org> <44A3A6B0.5030107@rotz.org> <16f0378d0606290339g74db0bc9k7e122622b2b85a4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44A3C5F5.2070104@rotz.org>

Nikita Borisov wrote:
> On 6/29/06, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg <aldert@rotz.org> wrote:
>> Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote:
>> > Hi Guys and Girls,
>> >
>> > I noticed that Trillian Pro now has an OTR plugin as well !
>> > (this time Twan of is the cool guy :) found emails from him in otr-dev)
>> >
>> > http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/downloads/detail.php?item=378
>> >
>> > Again question I have about this :
>> >
>> > 1. As it seems to me that this plugin is written by somebody not in
>> >    the "core" OTR team, should the code not be checked for "issues" ?
>> >
>> >    I cannot find the source code of the plugin, something that makes
>> >    it even harder to check I guess :)
>> >
>> > 2. Even if the code is ok, how can i be sure that the ddl supplied is
>> >    built from that code ? (as the dll is not supplied by the OTR team)
> 
> I think whether the DLL is supplied by us or someone else is not
> really the issue; if you want to make sure that code you are running
> doesn't have "issues," you probably want to check and compile all your
> own software.  Obviously, you won't be able to do that with Trillian
> since the source code is available, and it sounds like the plugin has
> similar problems.  There isn't much we can do about it, whether you
> decide to use the plugin or switch to another IM program is up to you.
> 
I think whether any DLL is supplied by the OTR team or not is very much
an issue, (implicit) web of trust at work here where your and Ian's
reputation are at stake where both of you are known not just by me but
by the (security) community at large.

Checking and compiling everything yourself sounds like a good argument
but that would limit the number of people using OTR to ???? 5000 people
world wide or so that (can) understand all aspects involved.

And of course if your paranoia level is set high enough you should not
use computers at all :)

Do I understand through your answer that the OTR team does not keep an
eye on any OTR implementations not supplied by the OTR team (including
the OTR in AdiumX) ?

Aldert.

ps, No, my intention of my emails it -not- to cry "Useless!!" but to
    comprehend what is happening with the OTR 'concept' outside the
    OTR team


From kat@paip.net  Thu Jun 29 17:55:57 2006
From: kat@paip.net (Kat Hanna)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:55:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR'd Jabber
In-Reply-To: <9CBD379E-C730-4D52-B911-681B3D3FDF8F@abovegroundnetworks.com>
References: <9222E598-CFEC-4946-91D4-0C6139724A4B@abovegroundnetworks.com>
 <Pine.LNX.4.58.0606281719570.5437@marshall.paip.net>
 <9CBD379E-C730-4D52-B911-681B3D3FDF8F@abovegroundnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0606291255380.5437@marshall.paip.net>

Not that I know of.

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Robert Hartman wrote:

>
> Is anyone working on otr-proxy for jabber?  Would be great to have if
> it's possible.
>
> -- Rob
>
> On Jun 28, 2006, at 5:23 PM, Kat Hanna wrote:
>
> >
> > If you use the otr plugin for gaim, or Adium X, jabber works just
> > fine.
> > Jabber is not supported by otr-proxy, so if you use a client that
> > requires that, it won't work.
> >
> >  -Kat
> >
> > On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Robert Hartman wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Is there Jabber support within OTR?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Robert
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OTR-users mailing list
> >> OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
> >> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
> >>
>

From morty@gmx.net  Thu Jun 29 18:54:32 2006
From: morty@gmx.net (=?UTF-8?B?TW9yaXR6ICdNb3J0eScgU3Ryw7xiZQ==?=)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:54:32 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR'd Jabber
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0606291255380.5437@marshall.paip.net>
References: <9222E598-CFEC-4946-91D4-0C6139724A4B@abovegroundnetworks.com> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0606281719570.5437@marshall.paip.net> <9CBD379E-C730-4D52-B911-681B3D3FDF8F@abovegroundnetworks.com> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0606291255380.5437@marshall.paip.net>
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IMHO there's no need for one. Normally you use a secured connection to
the Server. So a Proxy wouldn't work anyway. And most Jabber-clients are
open source. So it's probably more easy to integrate OTR into the App.
Morty


Kat Hanna schrieb:
> Not that I know of.
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Robert Hartman wrote:
>
>  =20
>> Is anyone working on otr-proxy for jabber?  Would be great to have if
>> it's possible.
>>
>> -- Rob
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2006, at 5:23 PM, Kat Hanna wrote:
>>
>>    =20
>>> If you use the otr plugin for gaim, or Adium X, jabber works just
>>> fine.
>>> Jabber is not supported by otr-proxy, so if you use a client that
>>> requires that, it won't work.
>>>
>>>  -Kat
>>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Robert Hartman wrote:
>>>
>>>      =20
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Is there Jabber support within OTR?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> OTR-users mailing list
>>>> OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
>>>> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>>>>
>>>>        =20
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>
>
>  =20


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IMHO there's no need for one. Normally you use a secured connection to
the Server. So a Proxy wouldn't work anyway. And most Jabber-clients
are open source. So it's probably more easy to integrate OTR into the
App.<br>
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-- Rob

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Is there Jabber support within OTR?

Thanks,

Robert
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