From frenchkisse@gmail.com  Thu Aug  3 09:58:08 2006
From: frenchkisse@gmail.com (Weizhe)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:58:08 +0800
Subject: [OTR-users] autoreply messages not encrypted??
Message-ID: <dea5843e0608030158m5a6e01eaua9fe3e5d5e5236db@mail.gmail.com>

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Hi

I have downloaded the OTR plugin, as well as the autoreply plugin, on the
Gaim.sourceforge.net website. When I run the 2 plugins concurrently, I was
told that the autoreply message was not encrypted. Would anyone have any
idea as to why this is the case, and if so, can anyone tell me how to
overcome that and encrypt my autoreply message as well? Thanks for the
attention.

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<div>Hi</div>
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<div>I have downloaded the OTR plugin, as well as the autoreply plugin, on the <a href="http://Gaim.sourceforge.net">Gaim.sourceforge.net</a> website. When I run the 2 plugins concurrently, I was told that the autoreply message was not encrypted. Would anyone have any idea as to why this is the case, and if so, can anyone tell me how to overcome that and&nbsp;encrypt my autoreply message as well? Thanks for the attention. 
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From ian@cypherpunks.ca  Thu Aug  3 13:42:17 2006
From: ian@cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:42:17 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] autoreply messages not encrypted??
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References: <dea5843e0608030158m5a6e01eaua9fe3e5d5e5236db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060803124217.GE15834@smtp.paip.net>

On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 04:58:08PM +0800, Weizhe wrote:
> I have downloaded the OTR plugin, as well as the autoreply plugin, on the
> Gaim.sourceforge.net website. When I run the 2 plugins concurrently, I was
> told that the autoreply message was not encrypted. Would anyone have any
> idea as to why this is the case, and if so, can anyone tell me how to
> overcome that and encrypt my autoreply message as well? Thanks for the
> attention.

It's probably not possible without modifying the autoreply plugin.  gaim
has two ways for plugins to send messages: 1) "send this message
directly", 2) "send this message, but pass it through the plugin chain
first".  When you type a message in a conversation window, it uses (2),
so the OTR plugin gets it and encrypts it.  But most plugins themselves
use (1), so OTR never gets a chance to see the message at all.

   - Ian

From frenchkisse@gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 02:23:23 2006
From: frenchkisse@gmail.com (Weizhe)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:23:23 +0800
Subject: [OTR-users] autoreply messages not encrypted??
In-Reply-To: <20060803124217.GE15834@smtp.paip.net>
References: <dea5843e0608030158m5a6e01eaua9fe3e5d5e5236db@mail.gmail.com>
 <20060803124217.GE15834@smtp.paip.net>
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Hi

Thanks for the prompt reply and help. So, in other words, are you saying
that it's impossible to encrypt the autoreply message? Or do you mean that
this can work if the autoreply plugin is modified? If it is the latter, what
command actually does (1), and which does (2)? Or is there some document I
can consult on my own, as I wouldn't want to trouble you unnecessarily.

Thanks


On 8/3/06, Ian Goldberg <ian@cypherpunks.ca> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 04:58:08PM +0800, Weizhe wrote:
> > I have downloaded the OTR plugin, as well as the autoreply plugin, on
> the
> > Gaim.sourceforge.net website. When I run the 2 plugins concurrently, I
> was
> > told that the autoreply message was not encrypted. Would anyone have any
> > idea as to why this is the case, and if so, can anyone tell me how to
> > overcome that and encrypt my autoreply message as well? Thanks for the
> > attention.
>
> It's probably not possible without modifying the autoreply plugin.  gaim
> has two ways for plugins to send messages: 1) "send this message
> directly", 2) "send this message, but pass it through the plugin chain
> first".  When you type a message in a conversation window, it uses (2),
> so the OTR plugin gets it and encrypts it.  But most plugins themselves
> use (1), so OTR never gets a chance to see the message at all.
>
>   - Ian
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>

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<div>Hi</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks for the prompt reply and help. So, in other words, are you saying that it's impossible to encrypt the autoreply message? Or do you mean that this can work if the autoreply plugin is modified? If it is the latter, what command actually does (1), and which does (2)? Or is there some document I can consult on my own, as I wouldn't want to trouble you unnecessarily. &nbsp;
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/3/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ian Goldberg</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:ian@cypherpunks.ca">ian@cypherpunks.ca</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 04:58:08PM +0800, Weizhe wrote:<br>&gt; I have downloaded the OTR plugin, as well as the autoreply plugin, on the
<br>&gt; <a href="http://Gaim.sourceforge.net">Gaim.sourceforge.net</a> website. When I run the 2 plugins concurrently, I was<br>&gt; told that the autoreply message was not encrypted. Would anyone have any<br>&gt; idea as to why this is the case, and if so, can anyone tell me how to
<br>&gt; overcome that and encrypt my autoreply message as well? Thanks for the<br>&gt; attention.<br><br>It's probably not possible without modifying the autoreply plugin.&nbsp;&nbsp;gaim<br>has two ways for plugins to send messages: 1) &quot;send this message
<br>directly&quot;, 2) &quot;send this message, but pass it through the plugin chain<br>first&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp;When you type a message in a conversation window, it uses (2),<br>so the OTR plugin gets it and encrypts it.&nbsp;&nbsp;But most plugins themselves
<br>use (1), so OTR never gets a chance to see the message at all.<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;- Ian<br>_______________________________________________<br>OTR-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca">OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
</a><br><a href="http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users">http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users</a><br></blockquote></div><br>

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From ian@cypherpunks.ca  Fri Aug  4 16:26:16 2006
From: ian@cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:26:16 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] autoreply messages not encrypted??
In-Reply-To: <dea5843e0608031823o370a7a28kf854c1b48dfe7082@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dea5843e0608030158m5a6e01eaua9fe3e5d5e5236db@mail.gmail.com> <20060803124217.GE15834@smtp.paip.net> <dea5843e0608031823o370a7a28kf854c1b48dfe7082@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060804152616.GB29331@paip.net>

On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 09:23:23AM +0800, Weizhe wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Thanks for the prompt reply and help. So, in other words, are you saying
> that it's impossible to encrypt the autoreply message? Or do you mean that
> this can work if the autoreply plugin is modified?

It should be able to work if you modify the autoreply plugin.

> If it is the latter, what command actually does (1), and which does
> (2)? Or is there some document I can consult on my own, as I wouldn't
> want to trouble you unnecessarily.

I don't know that there's good documentation; I think one needs to
rummage through the source.

I'm pulling this from gaim's conversation.c file:

To just send a message:

    serv_send_im(gc, gaim_conversation_get_name(conv), msg, 0);

If you want the plugins to get access to it before you send it:

    gaim_signal_emit(gaim_conversations_get_handle(), "sending-im-msg",
	    gaim_conversation_get_account(conv),
	    gaim_conversation_get_name(conv), &msg);
    if (msg && msg[0]) {
	serv_send_im(gc, gaim_conversation_get_name(conv), msg, 0);
    }

I *think* that's right.  Give it a try.  :-)

   - Ian

From p5c0-e77w@spamex.com  Tue Aug  8 03:09:20 2006
From: p5c0-e77w@spamex.com (p5c0-e77w@spamex.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:09:20 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] Does not work with GAIM 1.5
Message-ID: <200608080210.k782AfmP012124@paip.net>

We have tried several times to install, even manually copied over files into the GAIM directory, however, it never shows up in the GAIM preferences plugin list to select. This is on WindowsXP SP2.

Any ideas?

From kat@paip.net  Tue Aug  8 03:32:45 2006
From: kat@paip.net (Kat Hanna)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:32:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [OTR-users] Does not work with GAIM 1.5
In-Reply-To: <200608080210.k782AfmP012124@paip.net>
References: <200608080210.k782AfmP012124@paip.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0608072229110.4651@marshall.paip.net>

This may be a silly question, but are you sure you're installing the 1.5
version (as opposed to the 2.0beta)?  The 1.5 is at
http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/binaries/windows/gaim-otr-3.0.0.exe .

If you are, can you send along the output you get when you run gaim -d?

(Please reply to the list; I may be out of conatct tomorrow, but Ian
should be around.)

 -Kat

On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 p5c0-e77w@spamex.com wrote:

> We have tried several times to install, even manually copied over files into the GAIM directory, however, it never shows up in the GAIM preferences plugin list to select. This is on WindowsXP SP2.
>
> Any ideas?
> _______________________________________________
> OTR-users mailing list
> OTR-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users
>

From ian@cypherpunks.ca  Sat Aug 19 15:15:12 2006
From: ian@cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:15:12 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] gaim 2.0b3 / gaim 2.0 final (otr included?)
In-Reply-To: <44E6F7A2.8020108@onionizer.de>
References: <44E6F7A2.8020108@onionizer.de>
Message-ID: <20060819141512.GB22235@yoink.cs.uwaterloo.ca>

On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 01:36:02PM +0200, numE wrote:
> hi,
> 
> although i browsed the archives there are still some questions open :-)
> 
> 1) otr breaks the gui of gaim 2.0b3
> mentioned here:
> http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/pipermail/otr-users/2006-July/000695.html
> 
> is there a special otr version for gaim 2.0b3 planned to fix this behaviour?

It's definitely on the "todo" list.  But cycles are scarce.

> 2) otr on gaim 2.0b3 has some problems in "syncing" keys with other otr
> clients.
> look here:
> http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/4558
> 
> adiumx to adiumx works fine... but with gaim it sometimes gets really
> anoying, as the clients cant sync. you often get "malformed message
> recieved", "the other clients is currently not encrypting" or "you
> recieved an unreadable message, as you are currently not encrypting" errors.

This almost always is caused by someone being logged in more than once.
But the specific bug report you refer to doesn't seem to single out
gaim, so I can't tell if it's a libotr issue, a gaim-otr issue, or an
adium issue.  If you can reliably replicate the problem, a network dump
of the messages sent and received would be a big help.

> 3) will otr be an default component in gaim 2.0 like it is an default
> component of adiumX?

Not our call.  You'd have to ask the gaim people.

   - Ian