From faber_451 at elitemail.org  Sat Apr  1 22:57:29 2006
From: faber_451 at elitemail.org (Faber)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:57:29 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] otr plugin doesn't show up
Message-ID: <1143950249.17757.258095114@webmail.messagingengine.com>

I compiled and installed gaim, and then downloaded libotr and the otr
plugin, and compiled/installed them (both as root, iirc).  I started
gaim, and went to the preferences page -- otr hadn't shown up as a
plugin.  so, I ran gaim with the -d (debug) option, and got the
following lines as it loaded plugins:

plugins: probing /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so
plugins: /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so is unloadable: libotr.so.2:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
plugins: probing /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.la


Any ideas?

--Faber
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  Faber
  faber_451 at elitemail.org

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From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Sun Apr  2 09:25:09 2006
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:25:09 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] otr plugin doesn't show up
In-Reply-To: <1143950249.17757.258095114@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1143950249.17757.258095114@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <20060402132509.GD22146@smtp.paip.net>

On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 10:57:29PM -0500, Faber wrote:
> I compiled and installed gaim, and then downloaded libotr and the otr
> plugin, and compiled/installed them (both as root, iirc).  I started
> gaim, and went to the preferences page -- otr hadn't shown up as a
> plugin.  so, I ran gaim with the -d (debug) option, and got the
> following lines as it loaded plugins:
> 
> plugins: probing /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so
> plugins: /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so is unloadable: libotr.so.2:
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> plugins: probing /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.la
> 
> 
> Any ideas?

Did you remember to patch gaim-otr so that it will work with gaim2?
http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/gaim2b2-otr.diff

What does "ldd /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so" say?

   - Ian


From gdt at ir.bbn.com  Sun Apr  2 09:34:49 2006
From: gdt at ir.bbn.com (Greg Troxel)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:34:49 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] otr plugin doesn't show up
In-Reply-To: <1143950249.17757.258095114@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	(faber_451@elitemail.org's message of "Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:57:29
	-0500")
References: <1143950249.17757.258095114@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <rmihd5cnls6.fsf@fnord.ir.bbn.com>

You didn't mention what system you are using (VMS?  DG-UX? AIX?
Solaris? :-).  But, the error message indicates that whe gaim tried to
dynamic link the plugin, some libaries couldn't be resolved.

Try doing

 ldd /usr/local/lib/giam/gaim-otr.so

On my system (NetBSD, still with older OTR), I get

gdt 144 ~ > ldd /usr/pkg/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so 
/usr/pkg/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so:
        -lintl.0 => /usr/lib/libintl.so.0
        -lgpg-error.0 => /usr/pkg/lib/libgpg-error.so.0
        -lgcrypt.11 => /usr/pkg/lib/libgcrypt.so.11
        -lotr.1 => /usr/pkg/lib/libotr.so.1


Likely problems are that libotr.so is not really in /usr/local/lib,
that /usr/local/lib is not in the default library search path, or that
gaim-otr was built without the correct -rpath settings.

-- 
        Greg Troxel <gdt at ir.bbn.com>


From faber_451 at elitemail.org  Sun Apr  2 14:20:40 2006
From: faber_451 at elitemail.org (Faber)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:20:40 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: [OTR-users] otr plugin doesn't show up
Message-ID: <1144002040.4660.258119443@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:34:49 -0400, "Greg Troxel" <gdt at ir.bbn.com> said:
> You didn't mention what system you are using (VMS?  DG-UX? AIX?
> Solaris? :-).  

Haha, sorry, it was late when I wrote that message so I didn't put in
everything I should have.  I'm running Debian Stable (Sarge) on my old
Thinkpad 600E with a 2.4.27 kernel.

> But, the error message indicates that whe gaim tried to
> dynamic link the plugin, some libaries couldn't be resolved.
> 
> Try doing
> 
>  ldd /usr/local/lib/giam/gaim-otr.so
> 
> On my system (NetBSD, still with older OTR), I get
> 
> gdt 144 ~ > ldd /usr/pkg/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so 
> /usr/pkg/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so:
>         -lintl.0 => /usr/lib/libintl.so.0
>         -lgpg-error.0 => /usr/pkg/lib/libgpg-error.so.0
>         -lgcrypt.11 => /usr/pkg/lib/libgcrypt.so.11
>         -lotr.1 => /usr/pkg/lib/libotr.so.1
> 
> 
> Likely problems are that libotr.so is not really in /usr/local/lib,
> that /usr/local/lib is not in the default library search path, or that
> gaim-otr was built without the correct -rpath settings.


when I run ldd, I get the following:

hackstock:/home/faber# ldd /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so 
        libgcrypt.so.11 => /usr/lib/libgcrypt.so.11 (0x40018000)
        libgpg-error.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgpg-error.so.0 (0x40065000)
        libotr.so.2 => /usr/lib/libotr.so.2 (0x4006a000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40079000)
        libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x401ac000)
        /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x80000000)

Now, if I'm right, gaim was looking for libotr in /usr/lib/.  I poked
around on the Debian website for a while, and found the .deb package for
a slightly older version of libotr, and it showed that when installed,
it places libotr.so.2 into /usr/lib.  So, I cp'd libotr.so.2 into
/usr/lib -- and it instantly showed up in the gaim plugins list when I
restarted -- and didn't throw any error messages.  I was able to
establish an encrypted chat session with another friend who has the same
version of OTR running, and all seems to be well.


From faber_451 at elitemail.org  Sun Apr  2 14:29:12 2006
From: faber_451 at elitemail.org (Faber)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:29:12 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: [OTR-users] otr plugin doesn't show up
Message-ID: <1144002552.5259.258119529@webmail.messagingengine.com>

When I run that command, I get the following back:

faber at hackstock:~$ ldd /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.la
        not a dynamic executable
faber at hackstock:~$

When I run that on gaim-otr.so however, I get this:

hackstock:/home/faber# ldd /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so
        libgcrypt.so.11 => /usr/lib/libgcrypt.so.11 (0x40018000)
        libgpg-error.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgpg-error.so.0 (0x40065000)
        libotr.so.2 => /usr/lib/libotr.so.2 (0x4006a000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40079000)
        libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x401ac000)
        /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x80000000)

... as mentioned in the email I just sent replying to Greg's email.

Sorry for sending duplicates, I accidentally replied to both of your
individual email addresses and not the otr-users email address >_<

--Faber

On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:25:09 -0400, "Ian Goldberg" <ian at cypherpunks.ca>
said:
> On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 10:57:29PM -0500, Faber wrote:
> > I compiled and installed gaim, and then downloaded libotr and the otr
> > plugin, and compiled/installed them (both as root, iirc).  I started
> > gaim, and went to the preferences page -- otr hadn't shown up as a
> > plugin.  so, I ran gaim with the -d (debug) option, and got the
> > following lines as it loaded plugins:
> > 
> > plugins: probing /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so
> > plugins: /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so is unloadable: libotr.so.2:
> > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> > plugins: probing /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.la
> > 
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> 
> Did you remember to patch gaim-otr so that it will work with gaim2?
> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/gaim2b2-otr.diff
> 
> What does "ldd /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so" say?
> 
>    - Ian
-- 
  Faber
  faber_451 at elitemail.org

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From mail at scottellis.com.au  Mon Apr  3 00:58:48 2006
From: mail at scottellis.com.au (Scott Ellis)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:58:48 +1000
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR proxy or OTR plugin with Miranda IM
In-Reply-To: <20060215230111.GO31096@smtp.paip.net>
References: <jbphu1tavp2ps9nnsdcl7h0jdo3srsvovq@4ax.com>
	 <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602072323490.5304@tla.xelerance.com>
	 <96e269140602071930o16e68796k@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20060208162900.GQ31179@smtp.paip.net>
	 <96e269140602081347w5a0b792bh@mail.gmail.com>
	 <96e269140602090334q5dc188b8i@mail.gmail.com>
	 <96e269140602110550u3695762aw@mail.gmail.com>
	 <96e269140602150608w24836e79j@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20060215230111.GO31096@smtp.paip.net>
Message-ID: <96e269140604022158h18e82b66i47a60f18835a1c3f@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

FYI - i beleive i found the bug preventing the miranda otr plugin from
working with pre-alpha versions of miranda

the update is on the miranda file listing at:
http://addons.miranda-im.org/details.php?action=viewfile&id=2644

Scott
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From gdt at ir.bbn.com  Mon Apr  3 07:40:55 2006
From: gdt at ir.bbn.com (Greg Troxel)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 07:40:55 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: [OTR-users] otr plugin doesn't show up
In-Reply-To: <1144002040.4660.258119443@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	(faber_451@elitemail.org's message of "Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:20:40
	-0400")
References: <1144002040.4660.258119443@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <rmiacb299a0.fsf@fnord.ir.bbn.com>

  However, does anyone know if this will cause any problems in the future?
   I obviously want to install this library correctly.

Hard to tell - this is really something you should ask on a Debian
support list.  Each OS has rules about where programs go and how
shared libraries are handled.  Debian at least used to be opposed to
-rpath, and it's pretty clear your problems are about shared library
searching.

Generally, one should only put programs under the control of the
package system in directories owned by the package system, and put
other programs elsewhere.

  hackstock:/home/faber# ldd /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so 
          libgcrypt.so.11 => /usr/lib/libgcrypt.so.11 (0x40018000)
          libgpg-error.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgpg-error.so.0 (0x40065000)
          libotr.so.2 => /usr/lib/libotr.so.2 (0x4006a000)
          libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40079000)
          libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x401ac000)
          /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x80000000)

That *ought* to indicate that libotr.so.o2 was found in /usr/lib.

  Now, if I'm right, gaim was looking for libotr in /usr/lib/.  I poked
  around on the Debian website for a while, and found the .deb package for
  a slightly older version of libotr, and it showed that when installed,
  it places libotr.so.2 into /usr/lib.

But this is about where Debian things programs in .debs should go, not
where otr belongs in some larger sense.  (That's fine of Debian to
specify where to put programs; just pointing out that it's a package
thing not an otr thing.)

  So, I cp'd libotr.so.2 into
  /usr/lib -- and it instantly showed up in the gaim plugins list when I
  restarted -- and didn't throw any error messages.

This is asking for later trouble IMHO - you've put a file into /usr
which is managed by the package system.

A cleaner fix is to tell the system to look in /usr/local/lib for
libraries.  Using -R/usr/local/lib on the link link for gaim-otr
should also do this, but if Debian still discourages rpath you should
ask the Debian people what you should do instead.

  I was able to
  establish an encrypted chat session with another friend who has the same
  version of OTR running, and all seems to be well.

More specifically, gaim appears to have correctly loaded gaim-otr and
libotr.  Whether things are really in the right place is another
matter, but it's good that you are now running.

-- 
        Greg Troxel <gdt at ir.bbn.com>


From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Mon Apr  3 23:49:49 2006
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 05:49:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Fwd: Re: [OTR-users] otr plugin doesn't show up
In-Reply-To: <rmiacb299a0.fsf@fnord.ir.bbn.com>
References: <1144002040.4660.258119443@webmail.messagingengine.com>
 <rmiacb299a0.fsf@fnord.ir.bbn.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604040547410.15915@tla.xelerance.com>

On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, Greg Troxel wrote:

>   So, I cp'd libotr.so.2 into
>   /usr/lib -- and it instantly showed up in the gaim plugins list when I
>   restarted -- and didn't throw any error messages.
>
> This is asking for later trouble IMHO - you've put a file into /usr
> which is managed by the package system.
>
> A cleaner fix is to tell the system to look in /usr/local/lib for
> libraries.  Using -R/usr/local/lib on the link link for gaim-otr
> should also do this, but if Debian still discourages rpath you should
> ask the Debian people what you should do instead.

AFAIK, the correct way is to add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf
(and run 'ldconfig' once). I am not sure why some distributions have
stopped populating ld.so.conf with /usr/local/lib, but since that
directory normally is owned by root anyway, I don't see what harm it
could do. Only root can install libraries in there.

Paul


From steve at sireninteractive.com  Wed Apr  5 11:02:11 2006
From: steve at sireninteractive.com (Stephen Przybysz)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:02:11 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR - unverified?
Message-ID: <009601c658c1$eb21ef80$660a8c0a@corp.sireninteractive.com>

Hello,

I am sorry if this has come up before, but I did not see it in the archive.
We use Gaim v1.5.0 with version 3.0.0 of OTR.  We all use the Yahoo IM
protocol.  I cannot get any of the sessions to be Private.  All of the
conversations are unverified.  When we used OTR 2.x.x this was not a
problem.  Any answers?  BTW, we are using the windows version primarily with
some Mac clients that use adium as well.

Regards,

Stephen A.Przybysz
IT Systems Manager
Siren Interactive Corporation
708-763-0763 x14
www.sireninteractive.com





From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Wed Apr  5 11:45:11 2006
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:45:11 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR - unverified?
In-Reply-To: <009601c658c1$eb21ef80$660a8c0a@corp.sireninteractive.com>
References: <009601c658c1$eb21ef80$660a8c0a@corp.sireninteractive.com>
Message-ID: <20060405154511.GE22146@smtp.paip.net>

On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 10:02:11AM -0500, Stephen Przybysz wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am sorry if this has come up before, but I did not see it in the archive.
> We use Gaim v1.5.0 with version 3.0.0 of OTR.  We all use the Yahoo IM
> protocol.  I cannot get any of the sessions to be Private.  All of the
> conversations are unverified.  When we used OTR 2.x.x this was not a
> problem.  Any answers?  BTW, we are using the windows version primarily with
> some Mac clients that use adium as well.

That's weird.  When you right-click on the "OTR: Unverified" button, and
select "Verify fingerprint", what happens?

   - Ian


From steve at sireninteractive.com  Wed Apr  5 13:09:26 2006
From: steve at sireninteractive.com (Stephen Przybysz)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:09:26 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR - unverified?
In-Reply-To: <20060405154511.GE22146@smtp.paip.net>
Message-ID: <00b301c658d3$b1b41270$660a8c0a@corp.sireninteractive.com>

Thank you very much!  That was it!  I did not see that in the documentation.
It has been driving me nuts!

Thanks again,

Stephen A.Przybysz
IT Systems Manager
Siren Interactive Corporation
708-763-0763 x14
www.sireninteractive.com


-----Original Message-----
From: otr-users-admin at lists.cypherpunks.ca
[mailto:otr-users-admin at lists.cypherpunks.ca] On Behalf Of Ian Goldberg
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:45 AM
To: otr-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
Subject: Re: [OTR-users] OTR - unverified?

On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 10:02:11AM -0500, Stephen Przybysz wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am sorry if this has come up before, but I did not see it in the
archive.
> We use Gaim v1.5.0 with version 3.0.0 of OTR.  We all use the Yahoo IM
> protocol.  I cannot get any of the sessions to be Private.  All of the
> conversations are unverified.  When we used OTR 2.x.x this was not a
> problem.  Any answers?  BTW, we are using the windows version primarily
with
> some Mac clients that use adium as well.

That's weird.  When you right-click on the "OTR: Unverified" button, and
select "Verify fingerprint", what happens?

   - Ian
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From CLAY at BROKENLADDER.COM  Wed Apr  5 16:33:52 2006
From: CLAY at BROKENLADDER.COM (CLAY SHENTRUP)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:33:52 -0700
Subject: [OTR-users] Creators and Ambitions
Message-ID: <9129d8bb0604051333g2b4cfa44t62d107eea8268dd9@mail.gmail.com>

This is just a general question of the people involved in the OTR project.

Obviously OTR has a lot to do with giving power to individuals, in light of
potential evesdropping by government agencies (which seem to be a bigger
issue than your casual online bandit).  What other ideas and goals do you
have to that end?  I think a lot of us would be really interested in hearing
more about your philosophy and such.  I have imagined TOR-like serverless
systems for allowing anonymous encrypted communication between parties who
identify themselves only by means of their digital signatures.  There's also
Chaum's blinded signatures for digital cash, which I really wish someone
would implement via some offshore company, now that the patent has expired.

This is kind of an incoherent series of questions, but it seems like these
are issues that a lot of OTR users would have some interest in.  So many
people talk a lot about concepts like anonymous digital cash, and Mixminion
and all of that.  But OTR has come to fruition with such sound and
intelligent backing, and frequent support directly from you guys.  How many
similar projects can say that?

But the one thing we don't ever hear about is who you guys are and what
you're really striving for.  Is it just encryption for the sake of security,
or do you have bigger more philisophical goals?  Are you agents of the NSA,
conspiring to trick us into revealing our secrets under the false sense of
security? :)

And now that you've graduated, what do you guys do in your professional
lives, for income?  Maybe none of this is any of our business, but I for one
have a lot of curiosity about what these folks behind OTR are like.

Thanks for your time,
Clay

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From morty at gmx.net  Fri Apr  7 04:28:48 2006
From: morty at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?B?TW9yaXR6ICdNb3J0eScgU3Ryw7xiZQ==?=)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:28:48 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR-Gaim crashes on logon, when OTR-Messages are saved on the Server
Message-ID: <443622C0.10802@gmx.net>

Hi there,
unfortunately there is no bugtracker so I'll report this here:
OTR-Gaim (Plugin for 2.0 Beta 3) crashes on logon, when OTR-Messages are 
saved on the Server
If anyone need more information tell me, but I'll won't write a 
compleate bugreport if this is a know problem.
Morty


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From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Fri Apr  7 10:54:14 2006
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:54:14 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR-Gaim crashes on logon, when OTR-Messages are saved on the Server
In-Reply-To: <443622C0.10802@gmx.net>
References: <443622C0.10802@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20060407145414.GK31646@smtp.paip.net>

On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 10:28:48AM +0200, Moritz 'Morty' Str??be wrote:
> Hi there,
> unfortunately there is no bugtracker so I'll report this here:
> OTR-Gaim (Plugin for 2.0 Beta 3) crashes on logon, when OTR-Messages are 
> saved on the Server
> If anyone need more information tell me, but I'll won't write a 
> compleate bugreport if this is a know problem.

There is in fact a bugtracker:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=128860&atid=713088

What is the backtrace when gaim crashes?

Thanks,

   - Ian


From bean62 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 10 15:06:00 2006
From: bean62 at hotmail.com (ben k)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:06:00 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR-Gaim, behavior with multiple accounts
In-Reply-To: <20060407145414.GK31646@smtp.paip.net>
Message-ID: <BAY106-F1017F4A6769006CC05F682C3CC0@phx.gbl>

Apologies if a) this has been discussed before and I just skimmed over that, 
and/or b) if my explanation doesn't provide enough details.

In gaim, I have multiple accounts for the various IM types, such as AIM, 
Yahoo, Google Talk (jabber), and MSN messenger.  In many cases, I have the 
same person as a contact for each different IM system.  I group my contacts 
together in Gaim, with preference to whichever IM system we use most 
frequently.  So, my buddies are often collapsed but within a single buddy 
list entry is up to 4 "buddies" (the same person on AIM, MSN, Yahoo and 
Google, respectively).

Now, sometimes I'll be using yahoo and the person on the other end keeps 
having connection problems to Yahoo so we switch to MSN Messenger.  When 
this happens, if we already had private communications established through 
OTR, the window will display a second OTR button.  The second button is not 
private at first, and then tries to establish a private connection for the 
second button (related to MSN, in this example).  When this happened, gaim 
crashed.  I didn't do a trace or anything, but upon request I could try this 
again and provide such a thing.

And, this is such an obscure case (I use this every day and never have any 
problems) that it's really not that important.  But, I thought I'd share 
this with the group to see if this was something other folks encountered, 
and/or if it's something to be dealt with in future releases, or if i should 
just not worry about it ;-)

thanks for the great plugin... i make anyone i talk to download it.

-ben

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From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Mon Apr 10 15:39:33 2006
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:39:33 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR-Gaim, behavior with multiple accounts
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-F1017F4A6769006CC05F682C3CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <20060407145414.GK31646@smtp.paip.net> <BAY106-F1017F4A6769006CC05F682C3CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20060410193933.GY31646@smtp.paip.net>

On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 03:06:00PM -0400, ben k wrote:
> Now, sometimes I'll be using yahoo and the person on the other end keeps 
> having connection problems to Yahoo so we switch to MSN Messenger.  When 
> this happens, if we already had private communications established through 
> OTR, the window will display a second OTR button.  The second button is not 
> private at first, and then tries to establish a private connection for the 
> second button (related to MSN, in this example).  When this happened, gaim 
> crashed.  I didn't do a trace or anything, but upon request I could try 
> this again and provide such a thing.

Please do!  Does it crash every time you do this?

   - Ian


From bean62 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 10 16:31:55 2006
From: bean62 at hotmail.com (ben k)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:31:55 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR-Gaim, behavior with multiple accounts
In-Reply-To: <20060410193933.GY31646@smtp.paip.net>
Message-ID: <BAY106-F510F190EB1A2C0552C14CC3CC0@phx.gbl>

Apparently not.  I've been able to have multiple OTR buttons show up (up to 
4, since i have 4 accounts with users tied together in the buddy list), but 
that's sort of understandable / expected, or at least makes some sense.

I'm able to establish 4 different OTR connections (Yahoo, AIM, Google, Msn). 
  If I find a way to crash it again consistently I'll let you know.


>From: Ian Goldberg <ian at cypherpunks.ca>
>To: otr-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
>Subject: Re: [OTR-users] OTR-Gaim, behavior with multiple accounts
>Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:39:33 -0400
>
>On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 03:06:00PM -0400, ben k wrote:
> > Now, sometimes I'll be using yahoo and the person on the other end keeps
> > having connection problems to Yahoo so we switch to MSN Messenger.  When
> > this happens, if we already had private communications established 
>through
> > OTR, the window will display a second OTR button.  The second button is 
>not
> > private at first, and then tries to establish a private connection for 
>the
> > second button (related to MSN, in this example).  When this happened, 
>gaim
> > crashed.  I didn't do a trace or anything, but upon request I could try
> > this again and provide such a thing.
>
>Please do!  Does it crash every time you do this?
>
>    - Ian
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>OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca
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From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Mon Apr 10 17:45:44 2006
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:45:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR-Gaim, behavior with multiple accounts
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-F510F190EB1A2C0552C14CC3CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-F510F190EB1A2C0552C14CC3CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604102344160.3526@tla.xelerance.com>

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, ben k wrote:

> Apparently not.  I've been able to have multiple OTR buttons show up (up to 4,
> since i have 4 accounts with users tied together in the buddy list), but
> that's sort of understandable / expected, or at least makes some sense.

Odd. I have the same usage with gaim, and I have never seen these "extra"
OTR buttons. Which version of gaim are you using? I am using gaim-1.5.0-9.fc4
with gaim-otr-3.0.0-2.fc4.

Paul


From bean62 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 11 08:50:08 2006
From: bean62 at hotmail.com (ben k)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:50:08 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR-Gaim, behavior with multiple accounts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604102344160.3526@tla.xelerance.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-F31D63F9BB400B89373CC98C3CD0@phx.gbl>

>Odd. I have the same usage with gaim, and I have never seen these "extra"
>OTR buttons. Which version of gaim are you using? I am using 
>gaim-1.5.0-9.fc4
>with gaim-otr-3.0.0-2.fc4.

Using   gaim2.0.0beta3  with the most recent OTR dll that was linked for 
beta2 in the downloads section (this link: 
http://otr.cypherpunks.ca/binaries/windows/gaim2b2-otr3.zip  )

-ben

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From morty at gmx.net  Tue Apr 11 09:13:04 2006
From: morty at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?B?TW9yaXR6ICdNb3J0eScgU3Ryw7xiZQ==?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:13:04 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR-Gaim crashes on logon, when OTR-Messages are
 saved on the Server
In-Reply-To: <20060407145414.GK31646@smtp.paip.net>
References: <443622C0.10802@gmx.net> <20060407145414.GK31646@smtp.paip.net>
Message-ID: <443BAB60.3070702@gmx.net>

Ian Goldberg schrieb:
> On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 10:28:48AM +0200, Moritz 'Morty' Str??be wrote:
>   
>> Hi there,
>> unfortunately there is no bugtracker so I'll report this here:
>> OTR-Gaim (Plugin for 2.0 Beta 3) crashes on logon, when OTR-Messages are 
>> saved on the Server
>> If anyone need more information tell me, but I'll won't write a 
>> compleate bugreport if this is a know problem.
>>     
>
> There is in fact a bugtracker:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=128860&atid=713088
>   

Unfortunately there is no (easy to find) link on the "official" site.

> What is the backtrace when gaim crashes?
>   

I havn't got mingw installed, so this will be a bit of trouble. But I 
can send you the stack the next time it happens, so you have the chance 
of getting an Idea of where the Problem is. If it doesn't help I'll 
install mingw. :-) (Unfortunately cygwin won't do the job)
Morty

> Thanks,
>
>   


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From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Tue Apr 11 14:24:39 2006
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:24:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR-Gaim, behavior with multiple accounts
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-F31D63F9BB400B89373CC98C3CD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-F31D63F9BB400B89373CC98C3CD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604112023290.22142@tla.xelerance.com>

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, ben k wrote:

> > Odd. I have the same usage with gaim, and I have never seen these "extra"
> > OTR buttons. Which version of gaim are you using? I am using
> > gaim-1.5.0-9.fc4
> > with gaim-otr-3.0.0-2.fc4.
>
> Using   gaim2.0.0beta3  with the most recent OTR dll that was linked for beta2
> in the downloads section (this link:
> http://otr.cypherpunks.ca/binaries/windows/gaim2b2-otr3.zip  )

This must be a gaim2 issue with gaim-otr then.

Paul


From peter at crazymonkeys.de  Wed Apr 12 13:22:45 2006
From: peter at crazymonkeys.de (Peter Albrecht)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:22:45 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim-OTR - OTR-Menu in chat window
Message-ID: <443D3765.9040606@crazymonkeys.de>

Hi!

  I started to use the OTR-plugin (v3.0.0)
with Gaim (v1.5.0) today and it works great!
But as always I discovered a little issue
which could make the plugin a bit more
perfekt (for me). ;)

  The buttons at the bottom of my chatwindows
are disabled, because they were of no use for
me. And I like to keep interfaces as simple
and small as possible.

  Interface -> Conversations:
     Show buttons as: None

  But now the OTR-plugin placed his essential
indicating- and controling-button next to
those. And it would break my heart to enable
all those buttons, I would never use, just to
have this single OTR-button at hand. Although
there are possibilities to disable those
buttons (via plugins), there would still
remain the lower bar, with nothing in it
except the one OTR-button. And this would
look very strange, too. ;)

  In order to resolve this conflict (of
mine), I would be very glad have the
funktionality of the OTR-button available
through a menu at the top of the chat window.
Next to "Conversation", "Options" and "Send As".

  I don't know, if I am the only one with
such strange wishes. And I don't know how
much work this would be. But I think it is
worth to at least talk about it. ;)

  Peter Albrecht


From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Wed Apr 12 13:58:34 2006
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:58:34 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] Gaim-OTR - OTR-Menu in chat window
In-Reply-To: <443D3765.9040606@crazymonkeys.de>
References: <443D3765.9040606@crazymonkeys.de>
Message-ID: <20060412175834.GD14888@smtp.paip.net>

On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 07:22:45PM +0200, Peter Albrecht wrote:
>   In order to resolve this conflict (of
> mine), I would be very glad have the
> funktionality of the OTR-button available
> through a menu at the top of the chat window.
> Next to "Conversation", "Options" and "Send As".
> 
>   I don't know, if I am the only one with
> such strange wishes. And I don't know how
> much work this would be. But I think it is
> worth to at least talk about it. ;)

Unfortunately, plugins can't play with menus in gaim 1.5.  I'm told they
can in 2.0, but I haven't yet been convinced it's true.  We'd also lose
the space for any icon; I'm not sure what could be done about that.

   - Ian


From sync3280 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 14:29:27 2006
From: sync3280 at gmail.com (Jeff Brown)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:29:27 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR and portable GAIM
Message-ID: <214be230604121129u7d9e16dg753c2f1196ff87b2@mail.gmail.com>

has anyone been able to get OTR running within the portable version of
GAIM, or does anyone know what has been edited in the portable version
that would affect OTR's ability to work?

--
sync3280 at gmail.com



From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Wed Apr 12 17:30:58 2006
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:30:58 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR and portable GAIM
In-Reply-To: <214be230604121129u7d9e16dg753c2f1196ff87b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <214be230604121129u7d9e16dg753c2f1196ff87b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604122330210.31365@tla.xelerance.com>

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jeff Brown wrote:

> has anyone been able to get OTR running within the portable version of
> GAIM, or does anyone know what has been edited in the portable version
> that would affect OTR's ability to work?

What is the "portable version of gaim"?

It works on linux and it works on the windows gaim port.

Paul


From scott.fringer at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 18:14:32 2006
From: scott.fringer at gmail.com (Scott Fringer)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:14:32 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR and portable GAIM
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604122330210.31365@tla.xelerance.com>
References: <214be230604121129u7d9e16dg753c2f1196ff87b2@mail.gmail.com>
	 <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604122330210.31365@tla.xelerance.com>
Message-ID: <cedc23a50604121514i7126c820p8ef7aaa334b7d250@mail.gmail.com>

Portable Gaim is designed to run from a USB stick and be totally
independent of the host PC (settings and what-not are stored on the
stick) so you can take your IM with you.

It's been a while since I set mine up, but I am successfully using OTR
with Gaim portable.  I think the part I'm remembering is that OTR
expects Gaim to be installed on the hard drive, and can't find a
portable install - so I had to install to a PC-based Gaim install and
then transfer the plugin to my USB stick.  Regardless - if there's
more questions, I can check the details when I fire up Gaim at the
office tomorrow.

Scott

On 4/12/06, Paul Wouters <paul at cypherpunks.ca> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jeff Brown wrote:
>
> > has anyone been able to get OTR running within the portable version of
> > GAIM, or does anyone know what has been edited in the portable version
> > that would affect OTR's ability to work?
>
> What is the "portable version of gaim"?
>
> It works on linux and it works on the windows gaim port.
>
> Paul
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From gmaxwell at gmail.com  Fri Apr 14 19:50:14 2006
From: gmaxwell at gmail.com (Gregory Maxwell)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:50:14 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] So I'm not the only kook ... (on the subject of making all OTR security completely dependent on the DHP)
Message-ID: <e692861c0604141650h2dcfb4d2ve6ce4da8e1ea7f9e@mail.gmail.com>


From alienfrits at gmail.com  Mon Apr 17 15:42:29 2006
From: alienfrits at gmail.com (alienfrits)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:42:29 -0500
Subject: [OTR-users] problems installing OTR on gaim2 beta3
Message-ID: <361ad5a60604171242s647172b2o2f3ab70bfa9dee81@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

I am trying to get OTR working with gaim2 beta3 on windows XP.

I downloaded the source gaim2-otr-3.0.exe for windows and the patch
gaim2b2-otr3.zip which contains the gaim-otr.dll file.

I'm having some difficulty trying to find this gaim-otr.dll file that I am
supposed to replace.  I've installed the OTR executable and ran searches to
find this DLL and not getting any hits (yes I'm searching through the hidden
directories).  Looking in the .gaim folder and the otr install folder I
don't see any dll files for this.

Where exactly am I supposed to place this file?

thanks

-frits
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From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Mon Apr 17 16:01:52 2006
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:01:52 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] problems installing OTR on gaim2 beta3
In-Reply-To: <361ad5a60604171242s647172b2o2f3ab70bfa9dee81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <361ad5a60604171242s647172b2o2f3ab70bfa9dee81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060417200152.GR1474@smtp.paip.net>

On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 02:42:29PM -0500, alienfrits wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> I am trying to get OTR working with gaim2 beta3 on windows XP.
> 
> I downloaded the source gaim2-otr-3.0.exe for windows and the patch
> gaim2b2-otr3.zip which contains the gaim-otr.dll file.
> 
> I'm having some difficulty trying to find this gaim-otr.dll file that I am
> supposed to replace.  I've installed the OTR executable and ran searches to
> find this DLL and not getting any hits (yes I'm searching through the hidden
> directories).  Looking in the .gaim folder and the otr install folder I
> don't see any dll files for this.
> 
> Where exactly am I supposed to place this file?

After you run the gaim-otr installer, it should place gaim-otr.dll in
your (I think; I don't use Windows) Program Files\Gaim\plugins
directory.  Replace that file with the one in the .zip.

   - Ian


From morty at gmx.net  Mon Apr 17 18:28:04 2006
From: morty at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?B?TW9yaXR6ICdNb3J0eScgU3Ryw7xiZQ==?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:28:04 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] problems installing OTR on gaim2 beta3
In-Reply-To: <20060417200152.GR1474@smtp.paip.net>
References: <361ad5a60604171242s647172b2o2f3ab70bfa9dee81@mail.gmail.com> <20060417200152.GR1474@smtp.paip.net>
Message-ID: <44441674.10509@gmx.net>

Ian Goldberg schrieb:
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 02:42:29PM -0500, alienfrits wrote:
>   
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I am trying to get OTR working with gaim2 beta3 on windows XP.
>>
>> I downloaded the source gaim2-otr-3.0.exe for windows and the patch
>> gaim2b2-otr3.zip which contains the gaim-otr.dll file.
>>
>> I'm having some difficulty trying to find this gaim-otr.dll file that I am
>> supposed to replace.  I've installed the OTR executable and ran searches to
>> find this DLL and not getting any hits (yes I'm searching through the hidden
>> directories).  Looking in the .gaim folder and the otr install folder I
>> don't see any dll files for this.
>>
>> Where exactly am I supposed to place this file?
>>     
>
> After you run the gaim-otr installer, it should place gaim-otr.dll in
> your (I think; I don't use Windows) Program Files\Gaim\plugins
> directory.  Replace that file with the one in the .zip.
>
>    - Ian
>   
Hmm I just copied the gaim-otr.dll in the plugins-dir. After that you 
have to activate it, of course, in the plugins-menu.
Morty

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From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Tue Apr 18 15:36:49 2006
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:36:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR and portable GAIM
In-Reply-To: <cedc23a50604121514i7126c820p8ef7aaa334b7d250@mail.gmail.com>
References: <214be230604121129u7d9e16dg753c2f1196ff87b2@mail.gmail.com> 
 <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604122330210.31365@tla.xelerance.com>
 <cedc23a50604121514i7126c820p8ef7aaa334b7d250@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604182134380.31798@tla.xelerance.com>

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Scott Fringer wrote:

> Portable Gaim is designed to run from a USB stick and be totally
> independent of the host PC (settings and what-not are stored on the
> stick) so you can take your IM with you.
>
> It's been a while since I set mine up, but I am successfully using OTR
> with Gaim portable.  I think the part I'm remembering is that OTR
> expects Gaim to be installed on the hard drive, and can't find a
> portable install - so I had to install to a PC-based Gaim install and
> then transfer the plugin to my USB stick.

Hmm, so the installer cannot find the gaim installation on a USB stick,
because that gaim did not install any references about its location in the
registry. So the installer will never be able to find it.
But if it doesn't find it, perhaps I can then prompt it for a custom location
specified by the user (who presumably knows what he is doing).

I'll see if NSIS offers such an option,

Paul


From paul at cypherpunks.ca  Tue Apr 18 15:47:26 2006
From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:47:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [OTR-users] problems installing OTR on gaim2 beta3
In-Reply-To: <20060417200152.GR1474@smtp.paip.net>
References: <361ad5a60604171242s647172b2o2f3ab70bfa9dee81@mail.gmail.com>
 <20060417200152.GR1474@smtp.paip.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604182139240.31798@tla.xelerance.com>

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Ian Goldberg wrote:

> > Where exactly am I supposed to place this file?
>
> After you run the gaim-otr installer, it should place gaim-otr.dll in
> your (I think; I don't use Windows) Program Files\Gaim\plugins
> directory.  Replace that file with the one in the .zip.

Or the directory you told gaim to install in, as obtained from the
registry. First HKLM/Software/gaim is read, and if that does not exist,
then HKCU/Software/gaim is read.

Then the value obtained plus "/plugins" is where the gaim-otr.dll will be
found.

Paul


From scott.fringer at gmail.com  Tue Apr 18 15:47:59 2006
From: scott.fringer at gmail.com (Scott Fringer)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:47:59 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] OTR and portable GAIM
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604182134380.31798@tla.xelerance.com>
References: <214be230604121129u7d9e16dg753c2f1196ff87b2@mail.gmail.com>  <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604122330210.31365@tla.xelerance.com> <cedc23a50604121514i7126c820p8ef7aaa334b7d250@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.63.0604182134380.31798@tla.xelerance.com>
Message-ID: <4445426F.3040403@gmail.com>

Paul Wouters wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Scott Fringer wrote:
> 
>> Portable Gaim is designed to run from a USB stick and be totally
>> independent of the host PC (settings and what-not are stored on the
>> stick) so you can take your IM with you.
>>
>> It's been a while since I set mine up, but I am successfully using OTR
>> with Gaim portable.  I think the part I'm remembering is that OTR
>> expects Gaim to be installed on the hard drive, and can't find a
>> portable install - so I had to install to a PC-based Gaim install and
>> then transfer the plugin to my USB stick.
> 
> Hmm, so the installer cannot find the gaim installation on a USB stick,
> because that gaim did not install any references about its location in the
> registry. So the installer will never be able to find it.
> But if it doesn't find it, perhaps I can then prompt it for a custom location
> specified by the user (who presumably knows what he is doing).
> 
> I'll see if NSIS offers such an option,

Certainly sounds like a very good option from my perspective.

Scott


From bean62 at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 21 14:02:44 2006
From: bean62 at hotmail.com (ben k)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:02:44 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] question/suggestion around resending failed messages
Message-ID: <BAY106-F5C64BD08EA74F831C823EC3BB0@phx.gbl>

Does anyone have occasional problems with messages that don't go through 
being automatically resent over and over?  This happens to me most often 
with the Yahoo network... sometimes with copy/pasted messages containing 
html links or sometimes with messages that are too long.  I believe OTR does 
the resending.  But, when the error with the message persists, the 
message-resending process just keeps looping.

This doesn't happen to me often, but when it does, I find myself having to 
quit/close gaim to stop it from continuing.

Is there any limit to the number of resends that will be attempted when 
errors occur during sending a message?  Or, if not, can a limit be added 
(like say... 10 times max?) so that this looping won't happen?

Thanks very much for the great software.  I use this every day and can no 
longer IM without it...  ;-)

-ben

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From Thomas.Henlich at tu-dresden.de  Tue Apr 25 12:04:37 2006
From: Thomas.Henlich at tu-dresden.de (Thomas Henlich)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:04:37 +0200
Subject: [OTR-users] How does deniability work?
Message-ID: <444E4895.5020009@tu-dresden.de>

I have read the CodeCon presentation and still don't fully understand
how deniability works:

"Anyone can forge messages after a conversation to make them look like
they came from you. However, during a conversation, your correspondent
is assured the messages he sees are authentic and unmodified."

If at some point in the conversation (after each message?) the old
message key is published, doesn't it open up the possibility for a MITM
attack? I.e. the attacker intercepts and holds back two of Alice's
messages and uses the message key from the second message to forge a
message and sends it to Bob?

Any pointers to more information are appreciated.

-- 
Thomas


From ian at cypherpunks.ca  Wed Apr 26 09:57:27 2006
From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:57:27 -0400
Subject: [OTR-users] How does deniability work?
In-Reply-To: <444E4895.5020009@tu-dresden.de>
References: <444E4895.5020009@tu-dresden.de>
Message-ID: <20060426135727.GK1212@smtp.paip.net>

On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 06:04:37PM +0200, Thomas Henlich wrote:
> I have read the CodeCon presentation and still don't fully understand
> how deniability works:
> 
> "Anyone can forge messages after a conversation to make them look like
> they came from you. However, during a conversation, your correspondent
> is assured the messages he sees are authentic and unmodified."
> 
> If at some point in the conversation (after each message?) the old
> message key is published, doesn't it open up the possibility for a MITM
> attack? I.e. the attacker intercepts and holds back two of Alice's
> messages and uses the message key from the second message to forge a
> message and sends it to Bob?

It's a good question.  The MAC key for a particular message is only
published at the point Bob is about to erase it from memory.  So there's
no way Bob will ever again accept a message MAC'd with that key.  The
idea is that the MAC keys aren't revealed after each message, but
rather, slightly more slowly (after changes of directions of the
conversation), so that Bob only publishes and throws away a MAC key when
he sees a message from Alice using the next one in the sequence.

In the scenario you describe, both messages from Alice would be MAC'd
using the same key, which would not be revealed until later on.

   - Ian