From michael_flanagan at telus.net Tue Feb 1 01:11:05 2005 From: michael_flanagan at telus.net (Michael Flanagan) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:11:05 -0800 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy v0.1.1 OSX packaging issues In-Reply-To: References: <5BD3360A-740C-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> Message-ID: <0EA4179E-7418-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> On 31-Jan-05, at 9:49 PM, Nikita Borisov wrote: > > My bad, I didn't realize that libgcrypt was dynamically linked in. > I've made a new package with a statically linked copy, you can try > downloading it from: > > http://nikita.ca/tmp/otrproxy-0.1.1-2.dmg > > If you can successfully use it, I'll have Ian update the web page. > > - Nikita > > Now we're cooking with evil gas. It now launches and runs as expected. I'll have to hold off on results of actual testing until I get a second computer up and running here under a second account. Thanks for the quick update! Cheers, Michael From aldert at rotz.org Tue Feb 1 07:04:48 2005 From: aldert at rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:04:48 +0100 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy v0.1.1 OSX packaging issues In-Reply-To: <0EA4179E-7418-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> References: <5BD3360A-740C-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> <0EA4179E-7418-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> Message-ID: <41FF7060.1000402@rotz.org> Michael Flanagan wrote: > > On 31-Jan-05, at 9:49 PM, Nikita Borisov wrote: > >> >> My bad, I didn't realize that libgcrypt was dynamically linked in. >> I've made a new package with a statically linked copy, you can try >> downloading it from: >> >> http://nikita.ca/tmp/otrproxy-0.1.1-2.dmg >> >> If you can successfully use it, I'll have Ian update the web page. >> >> - Nikita >> Hi Nikita, I tried to install this specific .dmg on a 'clean' OSX ibook that never had any version of the otrproxy installed to/on. Could you tell me where the installer copies the file(s) to ? I seem not to be able to find any file that has 'otr' in the name except for the .dmg file -after- I went through the install process of the .pkg in the .dmg. I searched every corner of my disk :) Thanks ! Aldert. From nikitab at cs.berkeley.edu Tue Feb 1 00:49:00 2005 From: nikitab at cs.berkeley.edu (Nikita Borisov) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:49:00 -0800 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy v0.1.1 OSX packaging issues In-Reply-To: <5BD3360A-740C-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> References: <5BD3360A-740C-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> Message-ID: On Jan 31, 2005, at 8:47 PM, Michael Flanagan wrote: > Greetings list, > > I just downloaded otrproxy-0.1.1.dmg from one of the proxies. After > running the installer I attempted to launch the proxy from the > terminal: > > Last login: Thu Jan 27 22:01:17 on ttyp1 > Welcome to Darwin! > [myhost:~] michaelf% otrproxy > dyld: otrproxy can't open library: > /Users/nikitab/gpglibs/lib/libgcrypt.11.dylib (No such file or > directory, errno = 2) > Trace/BPT trap My bad, I didn't realize that libgcrypt was dynamically linked in. I've made a new package with a statically linked copy, you can try downloading it from: http://nikita.ca/tmp/otrproxy-0.1.1-2.dmg If you can successfully use it, I'll have Ian update the web page. - Nikita From aldert at rotz.org Tue Feb 1 14:36:28 2005 From: aldert at rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:36:28 +0100 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy v0.1.1 OSX packaging issues In-Reply-To: References: <5BD3360A-740C-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> <0EA4179E-7418-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> <41FF7060.1000402@rotz.org> Message-ID: <41FFDA3B.5030405@rotz.org> Nikita Borisov wrote: > > On Feb 1, 2005, at 4:04 AM, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > >> >> Hi Nikita, >> >> I tried to install this specific .dmg on a 'clean' OSX ibook >> that never had any version of the otrproxy installed to/on. >> >> Could you tell me where the installer copies the file(s) to ? > > > The otrproxy and otr_parse etc. tools are installed in /usr/bin. You > should be able to run "otrproxy" from the terminal window after you > install the .pkg file -- is that not working for you? > > - Nikita > > HMPF :) Once again I know why XP is my first OS and OSX is just for playing around, indeed /usr/bin, standard using Find under OSX does not search the whole disk when you select your disk in 'Specific places'. You have to select 'Search in : Local disks ' to do this correct. I knew this but forgot since my last 'blunder'... sorry about that. It starts fine here in my terminal window. Next : config iCal and test it :) Aldert. From nikitab at cs.berkeley.edu Tue Feb 1 14:11:49 2005 From: nikitab at cs.berkeley.edu (Nikita Borisov) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:11:49 -0800 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy v0.1.1 OSX packaging issues In-Reply-To: <41FF7060.1000402@rotz.org> References: <5BD3360A-740C-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> <0EA4179E-7418-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> <41FF7060.1000402@rotz.org> Message-ID: On Feb 1, 2005, at 4:04 AM, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > > Hi Nikita, > > I tried to install this specific .dmg on a 'clean' OSX ibook > that never had any version of the otrproxy installed to/on. > > Could you tell me where the installer copies the file(s) to ? The otrproxy and otr_parse etc. tools are installed in /usr/bin. You should be able to run "otrproxy" from the terminal window after you install the .pkg file -- is that not working for you? - Nikita From michael_flanagan at telus.net Tue Feb 1 15:19:57 2005 From: michael_flanagan at telus.net (Michael Flanagan) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:19:57 -0800 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy v0.1.1 OSX packaging issues In-Reply-To: <0EA4179E-7418-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> References: <5BD3360A-740C-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> <0EA4179E-7418-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> Message-ID: <350775e828d1b5cc3705c7535b7b6a92@telus.net> On 31-Jan-05, at 10:11 PM, Michael Flanagan wrote: > > It now launches and runs as expected. I'll have to hold off on results > of actual testing until I get a second computer up and running here > under a second account. > > I've now been able to get things working on the machine of the individual with whom I wanted to speak privately with. I installed the updated dmg and walked them through the config for modifying their proxy info. One little ?OTR? later and the connection set itself up as claimed in the README. Very cool. OTR Proxy starting. Starting HTTP/HTTPS proxy on port 8080 Starting SOCKS5 proxy on port 1080 *** Tue Feb 1 11:34:13 2005 *** INFO: Generating private key for (AIM/ICQ)... *** Tue Feb 1 11:34:18 2005 *** INFO: Accepting new fingerprint for (AIM/ICQ) 7ADB6884 2780E211 8429EF4A A9AD74EA 0C981D2C *** Tue Feb 1 11:34:18 2005 *** INFO: Private connection established Private connection with (AIM/ICQ) established. Fingerprint: 7ADB6884 2780E211 8429EF4A A9AD74EA 0C981D2C Secure ID for this session: bf5f08642153f1cfc25c *bbze2260521d632d260e* *** Tue Feb 1 11:34:21 2005 *** INFO: Refreshed private connection Successfully refreshed private connection with (AIM/ICQ) *** Tue Feb 1 11:34:21 2005 *** LOG: Heartbeat sent to . Although I'm sure the proxy works as advertised, I'm now trying to find info on the process for capturing the actual traffic sent back and forth between the clients. This is probably the wrong forum to be asking this, but if anyone could point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it. I'm currently browsing the dev archives trying to find how normal testing debugging is done. Michael From paul at xelerance.com Tue Feb 1 15:02:17 2005 From: paul at xelerance.com (Paul Wouters) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:02:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy v0.1.1 OSX packaging issues In-Reply-To: <41FFDA3B.5030405@rotz.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > > The otrproxy and otr_parse etc. tools are installed in /usr/bin. You > HMPF :) Once again I know why XP is my first OS and OSX is just for playing > around, indeed /usr/bin, standard using Find under OSX does not It's a unix[tm]! Paul From ian at cypherpunks.ca Tue Feb 1 16:32:19 2005 From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:32:19 -0500 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy v0.1.1 OSX packaging issues In-Reply-To: <350775e828d1b5cc3705c7535b7b6a92@telus.net> References: <5BD3360A-740C-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> <0EA4179E-7418-11D9-883E-000A95729B7A@telus.net> <350775e828d1b5cc3705c7535b7b6a92@telus.net> Message-ID: <20050201213219.GU24205@smtp.paip.net> On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 12:19:57PM -0800, Michael Flanagan wrote: > Although I'm sure the proxy works as advertised, I'm now trying to find > info on the process for capturing the actual traffic sent back and > forth between the clients. This is probably the wrong forum to be > asking this, but if anyone could point me in the right direction I'd > appreciate it. I'm currently browsing the dev archives trying to find > how normal testing debugging is done. There are a couple of ways to do this. The way we generally use for testing is to compile the proxy with -DDEBUG. This causes it to output lots more stuff, including the packets that are going out over the net. Alternatively, if you're not up to recompiling otrproxy, you can use a packet-capturing tool like tcpdump or ethereal. ethereal in particular "knows" about the AIM protocol and will be quite helpful in decoding it for you. [Disclaimer: I don't actually know that either of those programs are available for OSX, but they probably are.] - Ian From aldert at rotz.org Tue Feb 1 16:50:52 2005 From: aldert at rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:50:52 +0100 Subject: [OTR-users] Success !! - Test report - OSX 10.3.7 + iChat AV 2.1 and OTR proxy for OSX 0.1.1-2 Message-ID: <41FFF9BC.3030401@rotz.org> Hi, Another test report : OSX 10.3.7 + iChat AV 2.1 and OTR proxy for OSX 0.1.1-2 Exec sum : Success !! It worked out of the box in 1 go. With both OTR enabled as standard iChat users. Fantastic ! Interested people read on for some positive feedback. Details : - I have OSX 10.3.7 with iChat AV 2.1 - Installed the OTR localhost AIM proxy for OSX version 0.1.1-2 http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/binaries/osx/otrproxy-0.1.1-2.dmg - I have my own mac.com iChat account. - Started in a terminal window in /usr/bin the otrproxy program. - Configured iChat to use HTTP on port 8080 as mentioned in the README http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/README-otrproxy.txt - Log out of AIM (in iChat drop down menu) - Under "Preferences", "Accounts" there is an "Server Options" button, which allows you to specify an AIM server and port (defaults to "login.oscar.aol.com" on port 5190. Leave that this way. Select "Connect Using Proxy" Fill in at "Server" : localhost Use the drop down menu "Protocol" to put it on : HTTP (-not- HTTPS) Change "Port" to : 8080 Click on OK - Log In to AIM (in iChat drop down menu) and VOILA ! Works !! (though your terminal window will not say a thing, just wait for your first OTR 'handshake' to see INFO lines flying by.) -=- I tested the iChat with OTRproxy with both OTR enabled IM'ers and with standard iChat users without OTRproxy for OSX in both cases it worked perfect. Encryption when possible without the hassle of changing IM client or restarting the IM client. Nice !! Heaven !! -=- I am preaching for the choir when I ask for a GUI for the otrproxy so I wont actually ask for it :) I do have a feature request that might become so fast obsolete (with a GUI) that maybe it wont be smart to make it : If you start an IM client that uses the otrproxy it would be nice if the otrproxy says in the terminal window something like : "Pass through connection established, ready for OTR handling..." (Or something way more appropriate but I think I made my point clear.) Now it does not say a thing and I am not sure if this thing is 'working' until the first OTR handshake (is that the right term ?) happens. Aldert Hazenberg. From aldert at rotz.org Tue Feb 1 18:04:57 2005 From: aldert at rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:04:57 +0100 Subject: [OTR-users] Connectivity Tests - Does your OTR installation work ? Message-ID: <42000B19.9090804@rotz.org> Hi People ! I have configured at the moment : Windows : Gaim version 1.1.2 with OTR plugin 1.0.3-2 with MSN/ICQ/AIM Miranda IM 0.3.3.1 through OTRproxy 0.1.1 with MSN/ICQ/AIM/IRC OSX : iChat AV 2.1 through OTRproxy 0.1.1-2 with iChat/AIM If there are people who like to install OTR software on their machine but do not have somebody handy for testing to see if it works, just mail me to see if I have 5 min time for a connectivity test :) I am in Amsterdam, The Netherlands, Timezone : CET. Aldert Hazenberg. From aldert at rotz.org Sun Feb 6 13:58:12 2005 From: aldert at rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:58:12 +0100 Subject: [OTR-users] Spreading the word :) Message-ID: <420668C4.9040603@rotz.org> FYI, spreading the word :) Ps, The "I can run Jabber and GPG discussion, why bother with OTR" is pretty hard, lots of people who want IM encryption use that and it is not easy to make them see that OTR is just as good, better in many cases and extemely to install compared to Jabber and GPG.... Aldert. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: OTR-Encryption Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:49:06 +0100 From: Florian Holzhauer To: Psi Development Hi List, somebody mentioned today "Off the Record Messaging" to me. It is kind of an encryption for instant messaging, currently only implemented in a Gaim-Plugin. I was *very* impressed how easy the setup was and how easy the usability is - I already tested it today via jabber (if anyone else wants to test it, my jid is in the signature). That is the reason why I am mentioning this thing here - I would be very happy to see this thing implemented in Psi (I am way too dumb to do it myself), because it is very end-user friendly, and seems to be quite secure as far as I can judge it. The website is http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/ Florian. -- Jabber: fh at jabber.ccc.de or fh at zwoop.de - Web: http://www.fholzhauer.de From ian at cypherpunks.ca Sun Feb 6 14:11:19 2005 From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:11:19 -0500 Subject: [OTR-users] Spreading the word :) In-Reply-To: <420668C4.9040603@rotz.org> References: <420668C4.9040603@rotz.org> Message-ID: <20050206191119.GY3885@smtp.paip.net> On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 07:58:12PM +0100, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > > FYI, spreading the word :) > > Ps, The "I can run Jabber and GPG discussion, why bother with OTR" > is pretty hard, lots of people who want IM encryption use that and > it is not easy to make them see that OTR is just as good, better in > many cases and extemely to install compared to Jabber and GPG.... "What happens if/when your GPG key is compromised?" Hint: the answer involves having all your old messages revealed. - Ian From aldert at rotz.org Tue Feb 15 08:20:27 2005 From: aldert at rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:20:27 +0100 Subject: [OTR-users] OTR in UK Tech Website Article Message-ID: <4211F71B.9080903@rotz.org> Paradigms for Paranoids http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/14/codecon_paradigm_for_paranoids/ Published Monday 14th February 2005 22:15 GMT Codecon 2005 The fourth annual CodeCon - "a workshop for developers of real-world applications that support individual liberties" - convened Friday afternoon (11 Feb) at Club NV (envy, not Nevada), amid ghostly laptop panels hovering in violet-tinted danceclub murk. First-day registrations reached a respectable 90 (at $80 each), with more expected as the weekend progresses. The highlight among the first day's five presentations was Ian Goldberg and Nikita Borisov on Off-the-Record Messaging (OTR), where 'messaging' can be instant messaging in any of its various formats, including online games, and "off the record" is meant to emulate as closely as possible the realworld strategy of sneaking off somewhere private, where you can talk with absolutely no record of what you said that might come back later to haunt you. (I was reminded of Maxwell Smart's ill-omened Cone of Silence.) Conventional crypto technologies are optimised for (e.g.) enduring longterm contracts, but OTR prefers that messages be written as if in sand, via "perfect forward secrecy" (PFS) and "repudiable authentication". (Even if your conversation is cracked and transcribed, the programmers have included a "forgery toolkit" that allows you to repudiate such transcripts as trivial to forge.) With such glorious levels of intimate distrust, I was surprised Ian didn't name his exemplary chatterers "Bill" and "Monica" - both Ian and Nikita were witty presenters, with the former doing funny voices, and the latter offering, when a projector bulb blew during their demo, to substitute an interpretive dance. Another maniacally brilliant twist is that they can invisibly solicit OTR dialogs from strangers in chat by appending an inconspicuous all-whitespace flag, consisting of a characteristic arrangement of 24 spaces and tabs. And it was a pleasure, as well, to hear the consistently high level of followup questions after their talk. From ian at cypherpunks.ca Tue Feb 15 11:19:05 2005 From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:19:05 -0500 Subject: [OTR-users] OTR in UK Tech Website Article In-Reply-To: <4211F71B.9080903@rotz.org> References: <4211F71B.9080903@rotz.org> Message-ID: <20050215161905.GE1883@smtp.paip.net> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 02:20:27PM +0100, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > > Paradigms for Paranoids > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/14/codecon_paradigm_for_paranoids/ Thanks! I'm collecting OTR press mentions on http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/press/ . If anyone finds any more (that aren't just reprints of the ones there), let us know! - Ian From paul at cypherpunks.ca Tue Feb 15 12:03:21 2005 From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:03:21 +0100 (CET) Subject: [OTR-users] OTR in UK Tech Website Article In-Reply-To: <20050215161905.GE1883@smtp.paip.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Ian Goldberg wrote: > Thanks! I'm collecting OTR press mentions on > http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/press/ . If anyone finds any more (that > aren't just reprints of the ones there), let us know! http://www.google.com/alerts That's what I have for openswan. It's interesting :) Though sometimes Google is quiet for weeks. But for instance I could fairly well track the publication of the pam/xauth bug and adviceries. Paul From thomas at northernsecurity.net Tue Feb 15 13:40:48 2005 From: thomas at northernsecurity.net (Thomas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sj=F6gren?=) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:40:48 +0100 Subject: [OTR-users] news.com - Making your IM secure--and deniable Message-ID: <20050215184048.GB19084@northernsecurity.net> More press: http://news.com.com/2102-7355_3-5576246.html?tag=st.util.print "When you hit the Send button on an instant message, do you really know who is on the other end? Two researchers at the University of California at Berkeley have created an add-on to instant messaging that they claim will enable the participants to identify each other and have a secure conversation without leaving any proof that the chat occurred. [...] " -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From Vladimir.Labok at ZeroG.com Sun Feb 20 20:43:23 2005 From: Vladimir.Labok at ZeroG.com (Vladimir Labok) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:43:23 -0800 Subject: [OTR-users] Version lookup Message-ID: <78A5474878C3354D83B18D105BCD054C53A67B@mailbox.zerog.int> Hi How to check what version I am using right now? I am using two IM's to test out connection and suspect they behave a bit differently. I have installed one of the plug-ins for the Gaim a week earlier than the second one I have installed today. Thanks From ian at cypherpunks.ca Mon Feb 21 09:11:50 2005 From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:11:50 -0500 Subject: [OTR-users] Version lookup In-Reply-To: <78A5474878C3354D83B18D105BCD054C53A67B@mailbox.zerog.int> References: <78A5474878C3354D83B18D105BCD054C53A67B@mailbox.zerog.int> Message-ID: <20050221141150.GT2781@smtp.paip.net> On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 05:43:23PM -0800, Vladimir Labok wrote: > Hi > How to check what version I am using right now? I am using two IM's to > test out connection and suspect they behave a bit differently. I have > installed one of the plug-ins for the Gaim a week earlier than the > second one I have installed today. You can see the version of gaim-otr you have installed by opening the preferences panel of gaim, selecting Plugins, and clicking on Off-the-Record Messaging from the plugin list. gaim will show you the version number of gaim-otr. (It should be 2.0.0.) - Ian From Ponty at tv2mail.dk Mon Feb 21 09:01:53 2005 From: Ponty at tv2mail.dk (Ponty) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:01:53 +0000 Subject: [OTR-users] REQ: More clear OTR active icon in Gaim Message-ID: <1108994513.4219e9d1dedef@tv2.jay.net> For the Gaim plugin, I have the following request. Would it be possible to indicate more clearly if a OTR session is established? The 'OTR button' used to establish a session also indicates if a session is active by changing the text from 'OTR: Not private' to 'OTR: Private'. I think it would be more clear if the button changed to e.g. green color when a session is established, or if the button contained an icon for not private and another clearly distinguishable icon for private. Perhaps RED when non-private and GREEN when private... Best Regards Ponty ------------------------------------------------------ Opret en gratis TV2 mail p? http://tv2mail.tv2.dk From alex323 at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 16:20:32 2005 From: alex323 at gmail.com (alex323) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:20:32 -0500 Subject: [OTR-users] REQ: More clear OTR active icon in Gaim In-Reply-To: <1108994513.4219e9d1dedef@tv2.jay.net> References: <1108994513.4219e9d1dedef@tv2.jay.net> Message-ID: <421A50A0.6000609@gmail.com> That's a good idea actually. The gaim-encryption plugin (made obsolete by the gaim-otr plugin) has the red, (private), green (can go private if you click me), and gray (user doesn't have gaim-encryption). I think that's pretty cool ;) - Alex Ponty wrote: >For the Gaim plugin, I have the following request. > >Would it be possible to indicate more clearly if a OTR session is established? > >The 'OTR button' used to establish a session also indicates if a session is active by changing the text from 'OTR: Not private' to 'OTR: Private'. > >I think it would be more clear if the button changed to e.g. green color when a session is established, or if the button contained an icon for not private and another clearly distinguishable icon for private. Perhaps RED when non-private and GREEN when private... > >Best Regards >Ponty > >------------------------------------------------------ >Opret en gratis TV2 mail p? http://tv2mail.tv2.dk >_______________________________________________ >OTR-users mailing list >OTR-users at lists.cypherpunks.ca >http://lists.cypherpunks.ca/mailman/listinfo/otr-users > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 825 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From paul at cypherpunks.ca Mon Feb 21 18:05:47 2005 From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:05:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: [OTR-users] REQ: More clear OTR active icon in Gaim In-Reply-To: <1108994513.4219e9d1dedef@tv2.jay.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Ponty wrote: > For the Gaim plugin, I have the following request. > > Would it be possible to indicate more clearly if a OTR session is established? > > The 'OTR button' used to establish a session also indicates if a session is active by changing the text from 'OTR: Not private' to 'OTR: Private'. > > I think it would be more clear if the button changed to e.g. green color when a session is established, or if the button contained an icon for not private and another clearly distinguishable icon for private. Perhaps RED when non-private and GREEN when private... I think this is mostly waiting on the donation of pictures with the desired artwork in them :) Paul From kat at paip.net Mon Feb 21 19:40:02 2005 From: kat at paip.net (Kat Hanna) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:40:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OTR-users] proposed ui change Message-ID: Hi all, I'm working on the ui for the proxy, and noticed something that I think ought to be changed in the gaim-otr preferences ui, and then done correctly for the proxy. ;-) The list of Known Fingerprints includes people with whom I'm currently communicating, but for whom I do not have a fingerprint. I think that's kind of confusing. I propose removing those people from that list. The only purpose served by including them is to provide a way to initiate a private conversation from that panel. Under gaim-otr I can initiate a private conversation with such a person in the more usual way, starting a gaim conversation then hitting the OTR button. For the proxy, there'll be another easy, ui-based, way to do it. The main question I have is this: Is anyone who currently uses gaim-otr really attached to the ability to initiate a private conversation, with someone for whom you don't have a fingerprint, from the Known Fingerprints panel in the prefs? -Kat From paul at cypherpunks.ca Tue Feb 22 05:13:27 2005 From: paul at cypherpunks.ca (Paul Wouters) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:13:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: [OTR-users] proposed ui change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Kat Hanna wrote: > The main question I have is this: Is anyone who currently uses gaim-otr > really attached to the ability to initiate a private conversation, with > someone for whom you don't have a fingerprint, from the Known > Fingerprints panel in the prefs? Nope, and with buddy lists getting big, it makes less and less sense. Though while you're at it, if you could sort the list somewhat so that people you are having a private conversation with are at the top, with perhaps a divider for the ones whom are not online right that, that would be great. It's a bit hard at times to find the proper user+IMservice fingerprint to stop a private conversation from that menu. Paul From kat at paip.net Tue Feb 22 10:14:55 2005 From: kat at paip.net (Kat Hanna) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:14:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OTR-users] proposed ui change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Kat Hanna wrote: > > > The main question I have is this: Is anyone who currently uses gaim-otr > > really attached to the ability to initiate a private conversation, with > > someone for whom you don't have a fingerprint, from the Known > > Fingerprints panel in the prefs? > > Nope, and with buddy lists getting big, it makes less and less sense. > Though while you're at it, if you could sort the list somewhat so that > people you are having a private conversation with are at the top, with > perhaps a divider for the ones whom are not online right that, that would > be great. It's a bit hard at times to find the proper user+IMservice > fingerprint to stop a private conversation from that menu. Sort by the column of your choice is already implemented in the proxy ui; there'll be a new version out this week. As for gaim-otr, Ian says, "It's on the 'to do' list." -Kat From aldert at rotz.org Thu Feb 24 17:10:01 2005 From: aldert at rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:10:01 +0100 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy 0.2.0 does not start under Windows XP SP2 - missing DLL : mingwm10.dll In-Reply-To: <20050224215143.GC980@smtp.paip.net> References: <20050224215143.GC980@smtp.paip.net> Message-ID: <421E50B9.10702@rotz.org> Ian Goldberg wrote: > > This is version 0.2.0, which is a pre-release for people to play with. > While we think it will work for most people, it's certainly missing some > features, and probably has some bugs (gasp!). > > If you use it, please send feedback (good and bad) to the otr-users > list, or to the dev team at . > Ok, I got the windows file for the otrproxy 0.2.0 http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/binaries/windows/otrproxy-0.2.0.exe And it does not want to start with the error : Missing DLL : mingwm10.dll Attached the screenshot. I first installed it over the old gui-less otrproxy for windows and already tried de-installing otrproxy totally and installing otrproxy 0.2.0 from 'scratch'. Same error. I have Windows XP SP2 :) Aldert. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mingwm10.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 12503 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ian at cypherpunks.ca Thu Feb 24 17:27:55 2005 From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:27:55 -0500 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy 0.2.0 does not start under Windows XP SP2 - missing DLL : mingwm10.dll In-Reply-To: <421E50B9.10702@rotz.org> References: <20050224215143.GC980@smtp.paip.net> <421E50B9.10702@rotz.org> Message-ID: <20050224222755.GD980@smtp.paip.net> On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 11:10:01PM +0100, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > Ian Goldberg wrote: > > > > This is version 0.2.0, which is a pre-release for people to play with. > > While we think it will work for most people, it's certainly missing some > > features, and probably has some bugs (gasp!). > > > > If you use it, please send feedback (good and bad) to the otr-users > > list, or to the dev team at . > > > > Ok, I got the windows file for the otrproxy 0.2.0 > http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/binaries/windows/otrproxy-0.2.0.exe > > And it does not want to start with the error : > Missing DLL : mingwm10.dll Does this happen when you run the installer, or when you run the actual program? - Ian From aldert at rotz.org Thu Feb 24 17:34:33 2005 From: aldert at rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:34:33 +0100 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy 0.2.0 does not start under Windows XP SP2 - missing DLL : mingwm10.dll In-Reply-To: <20050224222755.GD980@smtp.paip.net> References: <20050224215143.GC980@smtp.paip.net> <421E50B9.10702@rotz.org> <20050224222755.GD980@smtp.paip.net> Message-ID: <421E5679.7040903@rotz.org> Ian Goldberg wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 11:10:01PM +0100, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > >>Ian Goldberg wrote: >> >>>This is version 0.2.0, which is a pre-release for people to play with. >>>While we think it will work for most people, it's certainly missing some >>>features, and probably has some bugs (gasp!). >>> >>>If you use it, please send feedback (good and bad) to the otr-users >>>list, or to the dev team at . >>> >> >>Ok, I got the windows file for the otrproxy 0.2.0 >> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/binaries/windows/otrproxy-0.2.0.exe >> >>And it does not want to start with the error : >> Missing DLL : mingwm10.dll > > > Does this happen when you run the installer, or when you run the actual > program? > Program. When I let the installer start the otrproxy it dies on me silently and when I try to start otrproxy.exe by clicking on it or from a command prompt it shows me this dll error. In Windows Task Manager otrproxy.exe is -not- running in the background after this error. (fyi so you know it does not start, give an error but is working anyway, it dies after the error on the screenshot.) Aldert. From ian at cypherpunks.ca Thu Feb 24 17:42:06 2005 From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:42:06 -0500 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy 0.2.0 does not start under Windows XP SP2 - missing DLL : mingwm10.dll In-Reply-To: <421E5679.7040903@rotz.org> References: <20050224215143.GC980@smtp.paip.net> <421E50B9.10702@rotz.org> <20050224222755.GD980@smtp.paip.net> <421E5679.7040903@rotz.org> Message-ID: <20050224224206.GE980@smtp.paip.net> On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 11:34:33PM +0100, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > Program. Thanks for the report. Try this one: http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/binaries/windows/otrproxy-0.2.0-2.exe Paul reports that fixes it. - Ian From aldert at rotz.org Thu Feb 24 18:22:07 2005 From: aldert at rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:22:07 +0100 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy 0.2.0 does not start under Windows XP SP2 - missing DLL : mingwm10.dll In-Reply-To: <20050224224206.GE980@smtp.paip.net> References: <20050224215143.GC980@smtp.paip.net> <421E50B9.10702@rotz.org> <20050224222755.GD980@smtp.paip.net> <421E5679.7040903@rotz.org> <20050224224206.GE980@smtp.paip.net> Message-ID: <421E619F.5080208@rotz.org> Ian Goldberg wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 11:34:33PM +0100, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > >>Program. > > > Thanks for the report. Try this one: > > http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/binaries/windows/otrproxy-0.2.0-2.exe > > Paul reports that fixes it. > Yes it does fix the dll error. It also works with Miranda IM and ICQ accounts. I seem not to get it working to AIM/AOL accounts that do work when using no OTRproxy. Kinda wierd. Maybe related to the next error in a new thread :) Aldert. From aldert at rotz.org Thu Feb 24 18:33:40 2005 From: aldert at rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:33:40 +0100 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy 0.2.0 for OSX does non-otr users not 'talk back' In-Reply-To: <20050224215143.GC980@smtp.paip.net> References: <20050224215143.GC980@smtp.paip.net> Message-ID: <421E6454.7000009@rotz.org> Ian Goldberg wrote: > We've just put up Linux, Windows, and OSX packages (and source code, of > course) for version 0.2.0 of otrproxy. > > otrproxy is a localhost proxy that should be usable with almost any > AIM/ICQ client, on Linux, Windows, OSX, and probably others. It enables > the user to have "Off-the-Record" private conversations. > > This is version 0.2.0, which is a pre-release for people to play with. > While we think it will work for most people, it's certainly missing some > features, and probably has some bugs (gasp!). > When I have OTRproxy 0.2.0 for OSX installed I notice a problem; When talking to an OTR enabled friend it works but when talking to an excisting buddy that is not otr enabled he can not 'talk back' to me. There is no Reply Box on -his- screen. http://high5.net/ichat/ichat.jpg This person has an AIM account. (with otrproxy for windows and Miranda IM I cannot get connected to the AIM network at all, maybe something new that 'broke' AIM with OTR ?) Aldert. From ian at cypherpunks.ca Thu Feb 24 18:43:40 2005 From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:43:40 -0500 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy 0.2.0 for OSX does non-otr users not 'talk back' In-Reply-To: <421E6454.7000009@rotz.org> References: <20050224215143.GC980@smtp.paip.net> <421E6454.7000009@rotz.org> Message-ID: <20050224234340.GG980@smtp.paip.net> On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 12:33:40AM +0100, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > When I have OTRproxy 0.2.0 for OSX installed I notice a problem; > > When talking to an OTR enabled friend it works but when talking to > an excisting buddy that is not otr enabled he can not 'talk back' > to me. There is no Reply Box on -his- screen. > > http://high5.net/ichat/ichat.jpg > > This person has an AIM account. What do you mean by Reply Box? Does he not see what you type? > (with otrproxy for windows and Miranda IM I cannot get connected to > the AIM network at all, maybe something new that 'broke' AIM with > OTR ?) Maybe try a different proxy type? Various IM client's proxy implementations are broken. iChat can't use localhost SOCKS or HTTPS proxies, for example. - Ian From aldert at rotz.org Thu Feb 24 18:48:11 2005 From: aldert at rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:48:11 +0100 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy 0.2.0 for OSX does non-otr users not 'talk back' In-Reply-To: <421E6454.7000009@rotz.org> References: <20050224215143.GC980@smtp.paip.net> <421E6454.7000009@rotz.org> Message-ID: <421E67BB.3040808@rotz.org> Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > Ian Goldberg wrote: > >>We've just put up Linux, Windows, and OSX packages (and source code, of >>course) for version 0.2.0 of otrproxy. >> >>otrproxy is a localhost proxy that should be usable with almost any >>AIM/ICQ client, on Linux, Windows, OSX, and probably others. It enables >>the user to have "Off-the-Record" private conversations. >> >>This is version 0.2.0, which is a pre-release for people to play with. >>While we think it will work for most people, it's certainly missing some >>features, and probably has some bugs (gasp!). >> > > > When I have OTRproxy 0.2.0 for OSX installed I notice a problem; > > When talking to an OTR enabled friend it works but when talking to > an excisting buddy that is not otr enabled he can not 'talk back' > to me. There is no Reply Box on -his- screen. > > http://high5.net/ichat/ichat.jpg > > This person has an AIM account. > > (with otrproxy for windows and Miranda IM I cannot get connected to > the AIM network at all, maybe something new that 'broke' AIM with > OTR ?) > FYI I just tested a bit more. It works with people who are -not- otr enabled and use the AIM network with an tryllian client for windows. It also works for people who are -not- otr enabled and use the AIM network and adium client under OSX. The person of the screenshot that could not 'talk back' uses iChat and AIM. Aldert. From aldert at rotz.org Thu Feb 24 18:51:17 2005 From: aldert at rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:51:17 +0100 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy 0.2.0 for OSX does non-otr users not 'talk back' In-Reply-To: <20050224234340.GG980@smtp.paip.net> References: <20050224215143.GC980@smtp.paip.net> <421E6454.7000009@rotz.org> <20050224234340.GG980@smtp.paip.net> Message-ID: <421E6875.5090106@rotz.org> Ian Goldberg wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 12:33:40AM +0100, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > >>When I have OTRproxy 0.2.0 for OSX installed I notice a problem; >> >> When talking to an OTR enabled friend it works but when talking to >> an excisting buddy that is not otr enabled he can not 'talk back' >> to me. There is no Reply Box on -his- screen. >> >> http://high5.net/ichat/ichat.jpg >> >> This person has an AIM account. > > > What do you mean by Reply Box? Does he not see what you type? > Oh sorry, I was not complete enough. This person does not have OTR installed. He uses iChat. He has an AIM network IM account. I am using OTRproxy for OSX and configured my iChat client with https and port 8080. I have an .mac account and use iChat. He is in my buddy list. When I message him a 'chat' starts but I am the only person who can type. He can not type 'back' There is just no reply box where he can type stuff -in-. Aldert. From ian at cypherpunks.ca Thu Feb 24 19:05:10 2005 From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:05:10 -0500 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy 0.2.0 for OSX does non-otr users not 'talk back' In-Reply-To: <421E6875.5090106@rotz.org> References: <20050224215143.GC980@smtp.paip.net> <421E6454.7000009@rotz.org> <20050224234340.GG980@smtp.paip.net> <421E6875.5090106@rotz.org> Message-ID: <20050225000510.GH980@smtp.paip.net> On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 12:51:17AM +0100, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > This person does not have OTR installed. > He uses iChat. > He has an AIM network IM account. > > I am using OTRproxy for OSX and configured my iChat client > with https and port 8080. I have an .mac account and use iChat. Do you mean "http"? iChat doesn't work with localhost https proxies, at least the version Nikita's got. > When I message him a 'chat' starts but I am the only person > who can type. > > He can not type 'back' > > There is just no reply box where he can type stuff -in-. So he can't even see what you type? - Ian From aldert at rotz.org Thu Feb 24 19:13:02 2005 From: aldert at rotz.org (Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 01:13:02 +0100 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy 0.2.0 for OSX does non-otr users not 'talk back' In-Reply-To: <20050225000510.GH980@smtp.paip.net> References: <20050224215143.GC980@smtp.paip.net> <421E6454.7000009@rotz.org> <20050224234340.GG980@smtp.paip.net> <421E6875.5090106@rotz.org> <20050225000510.GH980@smtp.paip.net> Message-ID: <421E6D8E.6080403@rotz.org> Ian Goldberg wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 12:51:17AM +0100, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > >>This person does not have OTR installed. >>He uses iChat. >>He has an AIM network IM account. >> >>I am using OTRproxy for OSX and configured my iChat client >>with https and port 8080. I have an .mac account and use iChat. > > > Do you mean "http"? iChat doesn't work with localhost https proxies, > at least the version Nikita's got. > > Yeah, I am not an evil coder so I did not change code myself :) I meant HTTP (no S), sorry, bedtime here. >>When I message him a 'chat' starts but I am the only person >>who can type. >> >>He can not type 'back' >> >>There is just no reply box where he can type stuff -in-. > > > So he can't even see what you type? > http://high5.net/ichat/ichat.jpg This is his screen shot. He can see what I type. He cannot type back. His iChat does not give him that possibility :) Without OTRproxy we both can chat :) fyi, I can replicate this with him. This situation seems not to happen with AIM users that use different clients. For replication we/I need to find somebody with an AIM account, using iChat on OSX and -no- OTRproxy for OSX installed. Anybody here on the list that has this combo for us to try to replicate this ? Aldert. From nikitab at cs.berkeley.edu Thu Feb 24 21:04:32 2005 From: nikitab at cs.berkeley.edu (Nikita Borisov) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:04:32 -0800 Subject: [OTR-users] otrproxy 0.2.0 for OSX does non-otr users not 'talk back' In-Reply-To: <421E6D8E.6080403@rotz.org> References: <20050224215143.GC980@smtp.paip.net> <421E6454.7000009@rotz.org> <20050224234340.GG980@smtp.paip.net> <421E6875.5090106@rotz.org> <20050225000510.GH980@smtp.paip.net> <421E6D8E.6080403@rotz.org> Message-ID: <89cf778eef7895982e4dac582c90c74c@cs.berkeley.edu> On Feb 24, 2005, at 4:13 PM, Aldert J.B.P. Hazenberg wrote: > Without OTRproxy we both can chat :) Hmm; both Ian and I have found that sometimes, when you log in from the same IP address, AOL doesn't correctly report whether you're logged in or not, and you get this kind of behaviour. But it happens even when I don't use the OTR proxy, and only some of the time. > For replication we/I need to find somebody with an AIM > account, using iChat on OSX and -no- OTRproxy for OSX installed. > > Anybody here on the list that has this combo for us to try > to replicate this ? My current iChat account is configured not to use the proxy; if you see nikitabotr online, you can try messaging me from your proxy to see if we can replicate the problem. - Nikita From jlay at ameriben.com Sun Feb 27 18:56:22 2005 From: jlay at ameriben.com (James Lay) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:56:22 -0700 Subject: [OTR-users] Ack...gaim-otr.so unloadable? Message-ID: <6CDD95AD0FF2D311BC6A009027DC6B990530EF33@MAIL1> HELP! plugins: /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so is unloadable: /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so: undefined symbol: gtk_window_set_accept_focus James Lay Network Manager/Security Officer AmeriBen Solutions/IEC Group Deo Gloria!!! From ian at cypherpunks.ca Sun Feb 27 19:26:21 2005 From: ian at cypherpunks.ca (Ian Goldberg) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:26:21 -0500 Subject: [OTR-users] Ack...gaim-otr.so unloadable? In-Reply-To: <6CDD95AD0FF2D311BC6A009027DC6B990530EF33@MAIL1> References: <6CDD95AD0FF2D311BC6A009027DC6B990530EF33@MAIL1> Message-ID: <20050228002621.GQ980@smtp.paip.net> On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 04:56:22PM -0700, James Lay wrote: > HELP! > > plugins: /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so is unloadable: > /usr/local/lib/gaim/gaim-otr.so: undefined symbol: > gtk_window_set_accept_focus You don't have the required 2.4 version of gtk+. - Ian